Thursday, June 25, 2009

4.5 Playoff Scenarios

Alright guys,

This is a big week for a lot of 4.5 teams this Sunday. It' s very unusual for this many teams to be playing for something in the final week of the season. Here's what the teams need to do to make the playoffs.

Flight A

Actually everything in this flight is decided except for positioning. Oak Creek/Branch is locked in first place regardless of what happens vs. Royal Oaks this week. Feldman and Royal Oaks are locked in the 2 and 3 spots. Unless there is some scheduling advantage to finishing two or three, neither of these teams has anything to play for this week. It will be interesting to see how the Branch v. Royal Oaks match turns out.

Flight B

For this flight you will have to get the calculators out. One of four different teams can win the flight and any of those teams can also miss the playoffs.

Brookhaven--can clinch first place with a win this week against the Lakes. With a loss, they would actually drop out of the top three and miss the playoffs. The Lakes has some solid players so it will be interesting to see how Brookhaven handles the pressure of being #1 for the first time all season.

High Point--would most likely clinch first place with a win and a Brookhaven loss. A win would clinch a definite spot in the QT though. Against DFW Hilton they will be in without a doubt.

Huffhines--could clinch first place with losses from Brookhaven and High Point. More likely, they will need a win and must stay ahead of Greenhill. A 4-1 or 5-0 win would clinch for sure, whereas a 3-2 win would put them at risk.

Greenhill--can only make the playoffs with a loss by Brookhaven or High Point, or by winning two more lines than Huffhines. Against a tough Oak Creek/Juhn team, it looks like they will be on the outside looking in yet again.

Predictions:

Oak Creek d. Royal Oaks 4-1
Brookhaven d. Lakes 4-1
High Point d. DFW 4-1
Huffhines d. T Bar 4-1
Greenhill d. Oak Creek 3-2

Brookhaven and Branch win their flights and advance to the DCC along with Feldman and the QT winner. The QT will consist of High Point, Huffhines, and Royal Oaks.

Thoughts?

121 comments:

  1. CoreDawg, for Brookhaven I think that you actually meant "With a loss, they *could* actually drop out of the top three and miss the playoffs."

    Even if they lost, they'd still make the playoffs if any of the other three teams also lost.

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  2. If QT is RO, Huffhines and HP. I'm putting the money on RO's. They go into any match up with HP or Huffhines up 1-0 with Molina in the lineup.

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  3. Correction.
    RO goes into any matchup with HP/Huff up 2-0 with Andrus & Molina in the lineup.

    This is a boring week other than to see if RO and Branch have a good match.

    Bring on the playoffs.

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  4. Agreed that not too many good matchups this week at the upper end. I'd even say that RO vs. OC-Branch doesn't provide very much interest since OC-Branch has nothing to play for. RO doesn't really either, but may be trying to prove to themselves that they can compete.

    GH vs. OC-Juhn might've been intriguing if GH were looking a little better in the tiebreaking categories to have a realistic chance at making the QT. OC-Juhn beat HP-Nguyen during the season and is a very solid team. I think that I'd give them a slight edge over GH, which could possibly be considering giving some other players their opportunity to play in the lineup this week. GH has to be feeling badly sitting on the outside looking in at 7-2. They've had a very good season, but not quite good enough.

    There shouldn't be much doubt about BH over The Lakes. The Lakes can compete pretty well with teams if they can match up at all with them in singles, but should find themselves in a 2-0 hole in this one. BH has been on a roll and has shored up its singles in the past few weeks.

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  5. Dont look for much drama this weekend. In the Major league, everything is already determined. OC vs RO is just an exhibition match for backup players. OC/Branch goes to the DCC and fall winner OC/Feldman makes the DCC also. RO goes into the QT should easily win the QT to make the DCC.

    In the minor league Brookhaven is too good to lose to Lakes. With a routine win BH advances to the DCC where theyll get killed by the major league teams. HP/Nguyen and Huffines/Nancy both have easy matches this weekend and both will advance to the QT. Look for Nancy's team to put up a good fight but theyll finish 2nd place in the QT to a superior RO team.

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  6. So, you're predicting that Huffhines avenges its 4-1 loss to HP in the QT?

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  7. I think Huffines will avenge that loss. It wasn't as impressive a victory as it sounds considering it was basically a difference of 3 TB's.

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  8. I think the QT will be very close assuming this Sunday plays out as expected. HP, RO, and Huffhines are all solid teams. I wouldn't even be surprised if each team went 1-1. My prediction is that High Point makes it through by a very close margin.

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  9. Huffines and HP would not have even made the QT if they had to play in the major league. RO will dominate the QT.

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  10. Who really cares about the minor league. There is not one team that can beat any of the 3 major league teams for that matter I am not sure any of the minor league teams can beat the 4th place team in the majors.

    RO and Branch will be who can show the least. You probably will not see ANY players play this week that will be in the playoffs as it will be clear the bench time for both teams.

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  11. someone who knows somebody at the dta should put some pressure on those pricks so that this type of seeding does not occur again in the future. what happened this spring in putting 4.5 teams into flights was inexcusable.

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  12. I would've liked to see BH and RO meet in the QT, but maybe they'll see each other in the DCC if RO can get there.

    OC-Branch is without doubt the best team in 4.5. Everyone else can argue about whether their team is second best.

    Speaking of OC-Branch, if they'd actually tried to win in the fall, we wouldn't be talking about this spring seeding issue. Somebody would just be complaining about something else with respect to the relative strength of the two flights.

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  13. HP doesn't have a chance in the QT. Please tell me where they win 3 lines against RO. RO should beat them 5-0 unless Clint and Dustin play line 3. Then maybe it's a 4-1 win for RO.

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  14. I think anyone who dismisses HP as losing 5-0 to anyone in the QT is vastly underrating them. Overlooking a team can be dangerous at any point, but particularly during the playoffs.

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  15. the problem is that basing seeding TOTALLY on fall results is stupid.

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  16. HP will not lose any match 5-0 and they could pull some upsets if their guns are playing, but they need all of their guns every match, due to lesser deth than the other teams, even ROCC gets a little weaker outside of their Top 3-4 players.
    HP: with Dustin, Clint, Phy, and Jean should be good for 2-3 lines every match.

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  17. HP has a lot of talent that could beat RO. Phy, Hai, Jean, Rasor, Takashi, Pickett, Lejia, Dustin, Clint, etc. They have a good chance at all lines.

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  18. What a laugh. HP is no wheres near as strong as RO.

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  19. Hey you forgot to mention the great Andre! He claims to be able to beat anyone in 4.5 tennis (singles). You better recignize!

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  20. Who is this Jimme guy who hasn't lost a match for HP? he took down young and fair with Hai??

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  21. Valtierra is no slouch and Andre crushed him.....

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  22. A lot of pressure on RO. If they don't come out of the QT, then all this Major league/Minor league garbage doesn't hold any water.

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  23. regardless, the 4.5 team seedings were handled very poorly this season. and i doubt that the pricks at the dta will change or even explain their secretive process.

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  24. They're not pricks at the DTA. They're just following previously established procedures. Imagine the names that you'd be called if you were working there.

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  25. Jimme's a very nice player. He's been in the league for several years, but hasn't always played very often. HP has even better doubles players on their squad, so shouldn't be taken lightly. I'm not sure that Pickett will see much of any playing time, and Takashi and Rasor might not see much. That team has far too many players, and I bet that some will leave after the spring.

    HP isn't as strong in singles as doubles, so could face matchup problems against teams that have the right mix like RO. Phy might have to move into the singles lineup in those matches.

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  26. Ratana – God bless your team! You guys suck!

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  27. Andre played one match so he didn't qualify. That's why his name was not mentioned and he was not recognized (notice how you spell the word recognize)! Takashi, Rasor, and Pickett are all definitely good enough. I've played against all three and they can contribute.

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  28. dta seeding procedures dont make sense yet theyre to arrogant to change

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  29. WILL BRANCH MAKE NATS THIS YEAR?

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  30. My guess is that if HP feels that Andre is good enough to contribute in the playoffs, they will get him qualified tomorrow vs. DFW Hilton.

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  31. All this talk about other teams doing this and that. I've seen Branch at Sectionals 5 years in a row. I hate to say it, but Dallas has been represented by his team well.
    Although I'd have to say last year was probably Branch's strongest team ever. He has picked up some nice players like Kern,Wescoup,Huffman,Davis and Iglesias this year. Are they going to make it to Nationals,well let's just say they should be competing Sunday August 9th for a spot in the semifinals first.

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  32. regardless of fall standings, OC/Branch obviously should have been seeded as one of the top teams in the spring. who is the dumbass here? brian modic? jane gilpin? or both???

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  33. The Ratana team comment wasn't funny the first time much less the tenth. Leave those guys alone. They're trying to compete the best they can just like the rest of the teams. They just don't happen to have as many of the better 4.5 players.

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  34. Unless they work for the DTA, no one posting here probably knows for sure how the procedural seeding policy was determined and who (singular or plural) was originally responsible for it. It may've been formulated by committee years ago.

    Jane Gilpin, Brian Modic, and Rick Lyon have all been called all kinds of names. With the reputation that this blog has gotten for insightful discussion on the issues (not!), I'd certainly not be wasting my time here trying to get a beat on the pulse of the tennis-playing public if I were anyone at the DTA.

    If you have suggestions for improvements, probably the most effective way would be to stop by the DTA in person and let your opinions be known. Calling might be next best. Writing would be least effective unless you leave contact information so they can get back with you.

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  35. Do any captains know the answers to these seeding questions?

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  36. helpful suggestions are routinely ignored by the dta.

    the real issue is transparency. they need to communiocate to players/captains how this is handled. seedings should be announced like in tournaments. why do they hide what they do?

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  37. I agree. It's not too much to ask the DTA to announce their seedings. And it's not too much to expect a little common sense _ rather than SOLELY just using fall standings.

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  38. I think another solution would be to create a new league...would there be any interest in forming team for that? I have done a little leg work on this, and we could do it for next year if there is interest. For obvious reasons I will reveal more info, iff there is interest from potential captains.

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  39. A new league???? Dude, don't be a moron!

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  40. It would be a good idea to form a new league for the FALL season. That way we could all keep playing the spring USTA season with the potential to make Sectionals. The fall league is a local league only.

    Perhaps we could get the top 6 teams in Dallas playing each other every week. That would be great.

    Administration would not be difficult. Let's give it a try!

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  41. Order of finish:

    Flight A

    Branch
    Royal Oaks
    Feldman
    T Bar (miss playoffs)

    Flight B

    Brookhaven
    High Point
    Huffhines
    Greenhill (miss playoffs)

    HP, Huffhines, and Royal Oaks will be in the QT as expected. No upsets today, although Brookhaven cut it a little close. Anybody know the Royal Oaks v. Branch score?

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  42. Too bad for T Bar. They clearly would have made the playoffs if they had been placed in flight B.

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  43. T-Bar "clearly" in the playoffs had they been in other flight is not a given - sorry but that is utter BS. Unfortunately that isn't anything that can ever be proven so no point in arguing it.

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  44. No arguing that T Bar wasn't in the better flight, but I'm not so sure that they would've made it in flight B either.

    It's also clear that the top four teams in each flight separated themselves from the other teams. Too bad only three make it this season.

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  45. Any way you look at it, the top 3 level 4.5 teams were all put in the same flight. There is really no excused for that.

    And this will happen again. The DTA is too arrogant to change.

    anon 8:37 am
    U are either a moran or have never dealt with the DTA. Just try "dropping by the DTA" with your suggestion. They'll just blow u off like everyone else.

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  46. best team will win anyway. but this obviously should have been handled much better.

    does anybody know brian modic? he is a dumb ass or does he just not care?

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  47. kern - what was brent's score ?
    Towel Man

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  48. It is not fact the top 3 teams were in the same flight. If RO wins QT then and only then will it be "clear" the top 3 teams were in the same flight. Until that happens this is simply your opinion.

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  49. Ratana – God bless your team! You guys suck but you were able to win this afternoon. Wow!

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  50. Did Ratana really win - TennisLink says "Double Default" - which I haven't seen in some time.

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  51. Double default just means scores are currently being entered.

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  52. Nice win for LBH indeed. Congrats!

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  53. Man you guys are a bunch of boring motherfuckers!

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  54. anon 7:58pm
    The point is that our 4.5 flights were very unbalanced this year. And the process that created this issue is secretive and flawed. Anyone hwo doesnt see that is a idiot.

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  55. T Bar could not beat High Point or Huffhines. They would have trouble winning in singles against Greenhill as well.

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  56. You were not in the other flight so you obviously have no idea how unbalanced it was. The top 6 teams are in the playoffs so it would seem the system works. I am not convinced T-Bar would beat Greenhill.

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  57. Calling out The Village and DFW Hilton for defaulting both lines of singles yesterday. Also HP/Bazan and The Lakes for their lineups and defaults. Not a good way to end the season by mailing it in.

    What's up with two doubles lines retiring in the Huffhines/T Bar/Snow match? One of those was after the second set.

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  58. I agree with the prior poster. The results from last year's DCC were:
    OC/Branch 3-0
    RO/Rothwell 2-1
    TBar/Modic 1-2
    Village/Noel 0-3

    SO THE TOP 3 TEAMS FROM LAST YEAR WERE ALL PUT IN THE SAME FLIGHT ALONG WITH THE FALL WINNER, OC/FELDMAN. Only an idiot would do that.

    Also, any seeding process that does not recognize OC/Branch as one of the top teams is a joke.

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  59. Calling out my team. We have never defaulted until the last week. I had a player get injured on Thursday night and one get injured on Saturday night and one no show on Sunday. The fact we got 4 matches on was a result of multiple phone calls and emails.

    Thanks to Ryan for being helpful in getting as many matches as possible played. Things happen and for the most part in 4.0 and 4.5 this year teams hung tough and tried to compete until the very end and I think that is all you can ask for.

    Ryan's team is pretty strong and not that far away from being a contender in 4.5 they were just too much for us yesterday. congrats on a solid season in a tough flight. As far as TBar beating a playoff team from the other flight, I am not going to pretend to know the answer but I will say I like RO's chances to get out of the QT. They looked great and we didn't even see their best players. TBar does have some weaknesses and that is what ultimately kept them from hanging with the big 3 in our flight.

    ***Fall season***

    Anyone looking for a team and not being an also ran and benchwarmer on a "good" team....Call me

    We are in it for the long haul and looking to improve.

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  60. I know the Lakes default was due to the expected player needing IVs the night before. No mailing it in. They still had a 2-3 result with one of the top teams.

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  61. Just because Lakes had a default doesn't mean they mailed it in...and why criticize the lineup beyond the default? They only lost to BH 3-2 despite defaulting a singles line. May want to check your facts!

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  62. is corey's team benefitting, getting hurt, or neither with the seeding process that everyone is bitching about. don't understand who is in, who is out, and what happens next. please explain.

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  63. Nothing that happened this past weekend affected any of the seedings. The only way it would have mattered is if the line Lakes defaulted had actually beaten the BH player and Lakes wins 3-2, then Brookhaven would have gone from DCC rep to out of playoffs completely sending HP to DCC and Greenhill into QT.

    RO, HP and Huffines will be in the QT. Branch, Feldman and BH await QT winner in DCC as expected.

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  64. can we please start talking about the qt then and get some predictions going. does only one of those teams make the dallas city playoffs. am i reading this correctly - either crown royal or cories team will NOT even make the city tournament.

    I want to start talking about that. who are the match-ups, who are the contenders and when is the tourney. who is HP - do they have a chance. are they Highland Park or High Point.

    My money is on Crown Royal to be in the city. Let's get ready to RUMBLE.

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  65. Contest -------------

    For $20.000 and within three seconds, can anyone tell me which team's record is listed below?



    4/19/2009Greenhill / Stoner
    Lost 0-5

    4/26/2009Brookhaven/Harllee Lost 1-4

    5/3/2009DFW Hilton/Wallace Lost 2-3

    5/17/2009T Bar M/Snow Lost 1-4

    5/31/2009Huffhines/Noel Lost 0-5

    6/7/2009High Point/Nguyen Lost 0-5

    6/21/2009Oak Creek/Juhn Lost 1-4

    6/14/2009Lakes Tennis/Dunford Lost 2-3

    6/28/2009Springpark/Abbruzzese Won 3-2

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  66. keep the $20 and go get help. There is more to life than Ratana's team. Let it go.

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  67. Other than Fred, Ratana's team is some of the most well liked guys I can think of.

    Why are you dogging them?

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  68. Because texas is full of republicans you get alot of ignorant comments on this board

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  69. suppose we take the top 3 teams from this year's city championship and also the fall winner in 2009 and put all 4 teams into the same flight next year. what sense would that make? well thats what the dta did this year.

    why cant the dta explain the process for seeding teams and putting teams into flights? why is it a secret? if teams are seeded why arent the seeds announced?

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  70. There are no seedings. If there are seedings prove it. You keep asking them to prove the seeding process -they can't bc they didn't seed. Not saying they shouldn't have, but they didn't. There is no secret or conspiracy - that would require more work and for them to give a darn, which they don't. They don't care and neither should you. Go recruit a team that is good enough to win - if you can not win, then shut up and try to do it the next year. You democrats are always crying. You got the village idiot running the country now, be happy, take a chill pill. While you are at it, come watch city's - there will be some good tennis being played.

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  71. The Lakes didn't mail it in for effort, but they did mail in the singles lineup. I'd think that someone could've stepped in to play line 2 rather than take a default. They have a very large team. The one singles line that did play wasn't competitive.

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  72. New thread for QT needed, please.

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  73. Ratana – God bless your team!

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  74. There is no need for a new thread for QT yet. It's almost two weeks away. When the QT schedule comes out, I will post a new thread.

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  75. Why are the seedings and the placement of teams such a big deal?? Your going to have to play and beat those teams anyway.
    It doesn't matter if you play them in the season or in DCC, you still have to win. Suck it up, play the matches in front of you, and the best team will come out on top.

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  76. Yup it's time to stop worrying about seeding and play. But this was obviously handled poorly and it would be nice to see the process fixed before next year. I doubt that Brian Modic even cares. But maybe someone can help improve this before next year.

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  77. It isn't obvious dude. You say in one sentence lets stop worrying about seeding and then cry like a little bitch on the way out the door.

    The system works. I doubt the top 6 teams (the ones in the playoffs) really care as the cream typically floats to the top regardless.

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  78. I really don't care and I'm one of the captains involved. To me it makes a lot of sense to use the most recent season (the fall) to determine seedings for the spring. Rosters from last spring are totally different from now. Probably half of my starting lineup is different now than last spring. Same for Branch, Royal Oaks, Feldman. Teams don't deserve to be seeded based on reputation; it's based on results. Plus, I don't hear Branch complaining about being in the flight with the best teams.

    Let's say T Bar was in our flight and advanced to the playoffs. They already lost to the top three teams in Flight A so the eventual outcome would be the same. Losing in the playoffs is no better than losing in the regular season. Trust me. I know. I would even say it's worse sometimes.

    Yes, I would like to know how the seeding is done but it seems pretty obvious that the top 4 teams from the previous season are split into two flights and that's good enough for me.

    It's a dead issue. It's only being brought up so much so somebody can start this offshoot fall league in my opinion.

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  79. top 3 teams from last spring plus fall winner all in the same flight -> does make any sense. oc/branch not among the top seeded teams -> also doesnt make any sense. nancy your still an asshole.

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  80. proper seeding has been an issue for a long time - way before the idea of a elite fall league for top teams. doesnt make any sense to seed teams solely based on fall standings. to the best teams the fall league is just practice/crap. the spring league is when top teams come to play.

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  81. The universally accepted way to place teams into flights:
    1. Seed perhaps 2 teams per 8 team flight based on all relevant info. (Spring, fall, seniors, etc)
    2. Announce seedings
    3. Place remaining teams by random draw.

    Not too complicated or difficult.

    DOES ANTONE KNOW WHY THE DTA REFUSES TO HANDLE THIS IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER?

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  82. 9:33pm poster you my friend are an idiot. Why dont you quit bashing Corey (and probably Ratana) and take a look in the mirror and see if you like what you see!!!

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  83. How about something different to pass the time besides bashing DTA/Corey/Ratana/ETC?

    How many wildcards will be up for grabs in 4.5?

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  84. These are the 4.5 leagues that will definitely send a team:

    Dallas
    Fort Worth
    Corpus Christi
    Austin
    Houston
    San Antonio
    Amarillo

    Maybes:
    SE Texas - 3 teams are signed up (although 2 of the teams consist entirely of 4.0 & 3.5 players)but no matches have been played.
    Waco - 3 teams are signed up but no matches have been played. 1 of the teams does not have enough players.
    NE Texas - 3 teams are signed up but no matches have been played. 2 of the teams do not have enough players.
    Abilene - 1 4.5 team. Normally this means they have to go play other 1 team cities for the right to advance to sectionals.

    Seems like a mess right now. Maybe the 4 maybes should all square off to be auto team #8 and leave 4 wildcards for the big cities?

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  85. 9:33 - You are such a whiney pussy. You post the same shit over and over again and no one really cares.

    I would pretty much bet my life you are not in the playoffs which makes you irrelevant. You feel robbed it appears - well get off this blog and go work on your shitty tennis game.

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  86. Doesnt matter much to me but does seem like seeding should be a pretty standard, easy process. No idea why we have a "designer" seeding process that is unlike procdesses used by others. Weird isnt it?

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  87. The schedule for Nationals is out and we'll be going this year. Held Oct 30 - Nov 1 in Vegas! The Darling Tennis Center is a excellent facility and only 20 min from the strip. Also we have a good draw with Mid-Atlantic, New England, ane the Caribbean in our flight. Shouldnt be too tough to make the semi's.

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  88. Going to spectate I assume.

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  89. What seeding process do other areas use for creating flights? Is it all blind draw?

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  90. Oak Creek/Juhn?

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  91. Actually Oak Creek/Bovermann rocks.

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  92. if nancys team played in the major league with OC/Branch, OC/Felman and RO/Rothwell they would not have made the playoffs this year.

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  93. Most other cities seed a few team (usually a committee does the seeding) and the rest are placed by random draw.

    At Nats -> the Nationals USTA org does not seed any teams _ just uses random draw.

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  94. How does the committee do the seeding? Is it based on general feeling, multiple seasons of results, previous season's results, other factors? Is the committee based on people from the league office? How many?

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  95. U r so anile!!!

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  96. anon 12:12 pm
    dont know. but 3 experienced players/captains would probably do fine. maybe use prior year spring results as a starting point and tweek for fall results and other info.

    tournaments typically have a seeding committee and they seed a small number of players/teams and the rest are placed by random draw. rarely do u see much complaining with that approach.

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  97. I'd be more on board if the flight seedings were done by a group of people who were not captains or players or if they were just done by blind draw. It would need to be a completely impartial process.

    The other problem is that full rosters don't need to be in when the spring flights are made. That could be the case why or if the fall results are actually used for spring seedings. Branch's team may've done the league no service by not trying to win in the fall.

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  98. Let's be clear, Branch's team wanted to win the fall this last fall and Corey Noel's team legitimately beat us and then threw a match to strategically keep us out of the fall playoffs. We struggle like every other team with guys not wanting to play meaningnless matches in the fall, but it just did not occur to us that we would not make the fall playoffs - which we did not. Corey threw the universe off kilter by throwing that last match and letting Brookhaven advance. Please don't blame the Branch team for this one - we get blamed for everything else that is wrong in todays society, but this one,we are innocent and the victem of Corey's strategic captaining in the fall. That is precisely why we went out and recruited the greatest marketing person of our generation, Jason Kern, to be our team spokesperson. AR Hacker turned us down, so we had to settle for Kern-Diggity.

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  99. AR Hacker knew it would be a losing battle!

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  100. LT BL rules with his 3.5 threads.

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  101. fact is almost no one gives a shit about the fall league. in the fall there is nothing to play for. its just an opportunity to get some bad scores and keep your ntrp rating down. thats why all the ringers come out in the spring.

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  102. Feldman's team might not agree. They'd be in the QT with the possibility of not making the DCC.

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  103. Everybody says fall doesn't matter.
    Until you win fall and get to coast thru spring.
    Then you understand the value in winning the fall.

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  104. if u win the fall you often get guys bumped up. thats a poor trade off.

    if you make the dcc because you won the fall, but your team is weak _ you'll get killed anyway. If you have a strong team you will make the dcc whether or not you win the fall.

    the benefit of winning fall is more hype than reality. disadvantages (losing players) outweigh benfit.

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  105. BORING BORING BORING.

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  106. Wow, just caught myself up on this thread and I'm surprised how into it people are. Voicing for a seeding system... who cares. Win and you're in.

    The benefit of winning fall is not hype. Your comment is completely off. Our team won fall and it made a huge difference for us. Last year we were getting ready to lose to Royal Oaks in the QT. They were better than us. This year we at least made it to the City Playoffs. There are three teams playing the weekend before City Playoffs and I can assure you each of those teams would have liked to have won fall. We were lucky to win fall but that doesn't change anything. We didn't have any guys get bumped up and we may not win Cities but I don't think we'll get killed either. Enough with the fall doesn't matter and teams don't try in the fall stuff. Teams are weaker and guys don't play as much but everyone still wants to win... except some of the classy people posting on this blog with their 8th grader comments.

    Todd Feldman

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  107. So now it's my fault that Branch's team didn't win the fall? Funny stuff. I thought it was the loss to OC/Bovermann. If you have to rely on other teams to win or lose in the last week of the season, you didn't do your job. Time for a new thread to actually talk about 4.5 tennis.

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  108. TF, you've now become my favorite captain. You just play to win and go about it in the right way without complaining.

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