Monday, December 1, 2008

2008 Year end ratings about to Drop

Since Cary appears to be suffering from a post-season tennis nervous break down after his crippling play-off loss, I thought I would pick up the rock and start the year end ratings ying-yang.

Who will be bumped up?
Who will appeal down?
And how many Anon's will judge you for it?

3.5 Ratings

4.0 Ratings

4.5 Ratings


Here is some info for the little ladies who want to appeal their rating.
go to the USTA ratings website.
Search for yourself by USTA number. (Only the USTA number, not Name)
The put on your dress, and appeal away.

345 comments:

  1. How do Harvey, Dolson, and maybe Acosta not get bumped to 4.0? Especially Harvey and Dolson, given that they advanced to DCC.

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  2. Their ratings have not been updated yet. Wait for the 12/31/2008 to show before complaining.

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  3. It looks like most of the ratings do have 12/31/2008 by them.

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  4. Seems really odd. Take Doug Fair for example, still showing a "T" rating from 2006.

    Am I correct in hearing if you have a "B" next you your name, forget appealing?

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  5. Have patience - the list is still being updated.

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  6. Did dustin get bumped to 5.0?

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  7. Fair will get bumped.

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  8. Walt Williams bumped

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  9. I thought the ratings were showing up today or tomorrow?

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  10. Voss and Newman get split up. Although they probably should both be 4.5, I am surprised it was Tim that got to keep his 4.0 rating.

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  11. Half of these are still not updated. The USTA will post on their site when the list is finished. OC BL, you are always on the ball when these things come out though. Are you sure you don't work for the USTA?

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  12. This is crazy!!!!!!

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  13. How do you configure the search to look for Houston as the district?

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  14. The USTA is a very secretive organization much like the illuminati or the masons.

    You can never be sure of who is involved in the decisions over there.

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  15. Can anyone confirm if the Dallas Fall League matches count in the EOY Ratings?

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  16. Christopher,
    This is how you do it.

    1) Close your internet browser.

    2) go back to the Houston tennis blog here you belong.

    Thank you for visiting the Dallas Tennis Blog

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  17. Chris:
    Here you go
    http://tennislink.usta.com/
    leagues/reports/NTRP/
    FindRating.asp

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  18. that is a great question. Love to know if it does or not.

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  19. Come on folks, don't be a 713-hater. I may be up there soon.

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  20. looks to me like they're doing the benchmark Srs first.

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  21. I'm back to 4.0. I just don't understand how the system works.

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  22. There is "some" manual intervention Keith. Someone at the office looked at their screen saw your name, paused for a quick chuckle, then put you back at 4.0 where you belong.

    Hey - at least they let you take Steven with you.

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  23. Keith - please ask Adam how much he is looking forward to those 5.0 tournaments next year.

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  24. I was shocked you and Steven are back down. Did you guys even have a losing record in 4.5 this time? The fall playoffs are supposed to be factored in to these new ratings. Three Branch players from spring moved up so far, 0 from Feldman, brookhaven, northwood, or royal oaks.

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  25. Keith appeals and cannot get back down after midseason and goes 3-0 at 4.5 in the fall and they bump him back down. There is no reason for that. I am not beating Keith up but that is just plain weird. Had you guys gone 0-3 and embarassed yourselves, I could understand it. Oh well, I bet Somabut is smiling from ear to ear.

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  26. I went 4-2 in 4.5. I think Keith was 3-0.
    The losses in the playoffs that I had pulled Keith and I back down to 4.0.

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  27. Will you guys play both in the spring or just 4.0?

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  28. Steven is right though because mid-season ratings came out prior to spring playoffs so those matches were factored in too. Still makes no sense though with their tournament record.

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  29. It is interesting how Hollywood, Hai, Joel and Voss get bumped to 4.5 while Brouer, Robinson, Smith and Newman are 4.0. Appears as though Newman's singles kept him down while Joel's singles bumped him up? The much maligned Molina stays at 4.5.

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  30. A lot of the bump downs also have to do with Texas' performace at Nationals don't forget.

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  31. I don't follow the Benchmark rankings. You get a benchmark rating if you had advanced to the playoffs. However, most advance at one level, and then get bumped a level higher. They shouldn't benchmark them at the higher rating, only if they remain at the same level. Specifically, several 3.5s that played in the Spring playoffs got bumped to 4.0 and are now showing a year end ranking of 4.0 benchmark player. ??? that is bogus.

    Can you appeal if your ranking is benchmark vs. computer???
    bkaiser

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  32. I noticed that too. All computer-rated players should have a chance at an appeal but not benchmarks.

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  33. Did P Jones get bumped down to 4.0?

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  34. I believe if you were a "B" last year, and have now been bumped - you can not appeal.

    I agree you shouldn't show as a B t the new higher level, not sure what that is all about.

    Note: I am a moron like everyone else on this blog typing about how I THINK this should work, which most likely makes it not so.

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  35. Interesting Anonymous moron - so last question. Does a year end rating of "A" which means you appealed last year, have a stronger meaning than a "B".

    Does the rules for Benchmark apply to those on appeal?

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  36. I don't believe the A from last season should affect your ability to appeal this season. Appeals are supposed to be based strictly on your exact computer rating, except for the new benchmark system. You could conceivably appeal successfully every season.

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  37. Kinda strange but it looks like the Dallas ratings have a lot more 12/31/2008 than some other places like Houston or NOHO where most of their ratings still show 2007.

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  38. Most of the people with an A, also still have a 2007 or early 2008 rating. My guess is that a lot more of the A's will be changed to C's or B's once this thing gets closer to finalized. Just a guess. I also guessed that by now people would be so tired of the BCS that we would have a better system in place. The horns got screwed!

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  39. Benchmark doesn't mean you are about to get bumped to a higher level. It just means you advanced to the playoffs.

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  40. All the Horns had to do was win that game against Tech. If you didn't win them all, you didn't get screwed.

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  41. Its all about who lost first. How do you think Tech feels? They weren't even in the conversation because they happened to lose last.

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  42. Did P Jones get bumped down to 4.0?

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  43. Look it up yourself

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  44. The Pussy Alert has just sounded for the first time!
    Discuss.

    Jordan, Buddy M Dallas TX 4.0 12/31/2008 A

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  45. Makes no sense. I was already feeling bad about my Horns. Now I'm feeling downright hated on.

    WTF? Computers suck.

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  46. I'm not going to bag on a guy who is over 60 who doesn't want to play 4.5 and the computer says he is in range to appeal down. He's obviously a solid 4.0 player as he beat Newman and Voss and took the gods Brouer and Robinson to 3 but come on. He lost both his playoff matches as well.

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  47. Tech wasn't in the conversation because they lost by 44, doesn't really matter when that happens.

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  48. Hey Voss, maybe being 1-0 against Corey Noel is what finally caught up to you?

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  49. Appeal:
    Milke, Carl M Dallas TX 3.5 12/31/2008 A

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  50. Looks Like OC-Branch has some rebuilding to do they have lost 4 players thus far. YIKES..

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  51. Your right. Doug should be moved to 5.5 for that win. Who was the 4th player from Branch's team? I knew of Walt, Jeremy, and Clint.

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  52. FYI - Looks like most of the Fort Worth 4.5 guys that were mid-year 5.0 bumps are now back down to 4.5.

    Huffman, Terefe, etc.

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  53. Holy cow! P Jones survived to remain in 4.5. That's one assumed doubles loss for Northwood in the spring.

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  54. P. Jones has not been updated yet, although I think he will remain 4.5

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  55. We have to give the rest of the teams a chance. Peter will rebound next season. Just wait.

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  56. Wow Huffman is mind-boggling and seems to me that 2009 Fall Results are not counted. Otherwise how does someone go 5-0 at 5.0 abnd get bumped down to 4.5!!!
    Although I guess going 0-3 at Sectionals does help the case.

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  57. That guy has been dominating 4.5 forever but he is always on a weak team in Dallas thankfully.

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  58. What does "T" stand for? Thanks.

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  59. A player gets a T when they only play Tournaments.

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  60. T stands for Thanksgiving.

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  61. I*m confused, how does B. Jordan appeal his rating when it should have been a B designation (he was in Cities last spring @ 4.0 - T-bar M), Once again I am confused,

    Please set me straight

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  62. Some people have said that the benchmark rule doesn't take effect until after spring 09. I have not heard anybody confirm or deny. Also, did he make the playoffs in the fall. If not, that could be why.

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  63. The 2008 Year-end ratings are being updated now and the process should be completed by 9 pm Eastern time.

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  64. I don't know why anyone is getting worked up on who got bumped - all irrellevant, util you see who got bumped and appeal denied. most bumps will be appealled and granted. happens every year.

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  65. USTA LEAGUE TENNIS
    MAJOR REGULATION CHANGES FOR 2009
    1. District/Area, Region, Section and National Championship benchmarks may not be
    appealed the first year received.
    2. No dynamic disqualification of Year-end Computer (C) or Benchmark (B) players.
    Reg. 3.04A
    3. So. . . who can be dynamically disqualified? NTRP published evel followed by A
    (appeal-all), S (self-rated), M (mixed exclusive), T (tournament exclusive), D
    (dynamic rating-usually an Early Start Rating moved down) in the Adult and Senior
    divisions through the Section Championships.
    4. All medical appeals will be reviewed first by a section-appointed review committee
    and, if deemed a permanently disabling injury or illness, will be forwarded to the
    National Medical Review Committee for a final decision.
    5. Mixed Doubles National Championship teams will follow the same

    & here is the rule:
    3.05C Championship Benchmarks. A championship benchmark may not be appealed
    following the championship year it is received except for permanently disabling injury/illness. If
    intervening permanent disabling injury or illness indicates that a championship benchmark rating
    may be too high, the Section Association shall utilize a Medical Review Committee to evaluate all
    medical appeals; and, if the injury/illness is deemed permanently disabling, the appeal will be
    forwarded to the National Medical Appeal Committee for a final decision.

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  66. Looks like that doesn't take effect until 2009

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  67. how about that "master blaster" (remember Mad Max beyond Thunderdome) team getting broken up. What is Slezak going to do without Walt William's shoulders to ride next season. looks like the Brancher's are going to need a recruiting trip. Maybe they can pull back some guys fromLoose's High Point experiment team

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  68. You need to remember that we are in the 2009 USTA season. Yes we have an early start league (fall) as do several districts throughout the different sections, but most Districts do not start their seasons until the spring.
    These ratings are for the 2009 season play.

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  69. if there's not 12/31/2008 next to the rating does that mean it is just not computed yet?

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  70. did gonzales and phat bui get bumped back down for royal oaks 4.5

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  71. that hasn't been determined yet. Neither has 12/31/2008 with their names yet.

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  72. Those 2 haven't been updated yet. I know several here that sure hope not.

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  73. If you get bumped up, play up!

    Please remember that Baseline Jesus doesn’t like people that appeal their rating.

    If you get knocked down and you feel that it’s unjustified …. play up!

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  74. 25-3 in singles in 2008 calendar year and I'm safe. I bet I wasn't even that close.

    You guys don't realize how hard it is to get bumped from 4.5 to 5.0 w/o winning at sectionals/nationals.

    5.0 is a practical death sentence for league play so I don't think USTA really wants to bump many people above 4.5.

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  75. I do not believe I have published official doctrine on appealing ratings.

    Stay tuned and look unto the heavens for the sign.

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  76. Vik – 25 – 3 give me a break! You’re kicking ass! You need some competition! Time for you to move up!

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  77. Dear Baseline Jesus,

    I saw the light and heard your word about appealing one’s rating during the release of the mid-season ratings. Please give us guidance on how we should handle the temptation to appeal if one is bumped and how we should treat one if one does appeal. Oh, Baseline Jesus … help us all through this very difficult time of uncertainty.

    Nancy

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  78. Hmmm to be a great 4.0 or a below average 4.5?

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  79. It would be interesting to know how tournament and leagues (spring & fall) are weighted. It appears that tournament performance / play doesn’t carry much weight compared to league play. This is a general observation from looking at the following: 1) Last years mid season ratings, 2) Last year’s end of the year ratings, 3) This year’s mid season ratings and 4) What has been published some far for this year’s end of the year ratings.

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  80. No Football
    No Politics
    No Religon (Excluding BL Jesus)

    Tennis Only

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  81. Nancy –

    I have talked with you before about getting all worked up, getting your panties in a wad and worrying that the end is near for your team. Be positive! I have ringers! There’s always another ringer right around the corner. Do not get blinded! Do not look into the light! Please walk in my path and you will always receive the lucky cord bounce, be able to call the ball out all the time when it’s only 99% (or less) out and have your opponent feel good about you. Have faith and love to learn to cheat your opponent.

    Drop Shot Lucifer

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  82. The Lord Helps those who help themselves.

    Give your rating a try for a season.
    If you can't win half your matches then appeal down.

    However,
    Thou shall not appeal down and then play up!

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  83. Drop Shot Lucifer has tried to tempt me at the Garland tennis center.

    Drop Shot Lucifer get behind Me!

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  84. OC BL - let the blog go where it needs to go. i would say that this blog can talk about world events and be ok - we need a break sometimes. I would say that tx / ou is a pretty hot topic and let some guys vent. you will allow personal attack that have nothing to do with tennis - let there be some tx ou talk - just bc you may not watch football - the rest of the tennis community cares about it....Cory lost one of his best players bc of OU football for cities and it could have cost him. please quit deleting the tx ou stuff - it's funny.

    wwcd

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  85. It’s good to see that sandbagger Forrest Feuille officially got bumped from 4.0 to 4.5 with a Benchmark rating. Hopefully this will put a stop to his on going sandbagging pushing party he’s had going on for the last 1 ½ years.

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  86. Didn't he lose 2 of his last 3 matches?

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  87. Forrest had a little pressure on him, either win and get bumped or let the match slide by as a loss. No big deal! This time around, the computer did its job in finding these hard to get sandbaggers.

    Forrest – the 4.0 party is over. Nice job! Now let’s see what you all about. No more crying! Don’t be a puss again, just get out there and hit the ball!

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  88. Baseline Jesus,

    It’s wonderful to hear from you. Where have you been? We haven’t heard from you in months. We have needed your guidance. I believe we went through the entire fall season and not a word from you. The ball could have bounced another way if you were there. Yes, I have had the faith and have been tempted several times during the season. It has been a biblical fall season. So much has happened! Baseline Jesus, please stay near …at least in the doubles alley, on a regular basis to stand watch of me.

    Nancy

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  89. well the Anons can now quit crying over ROCC since Gonzales and Bui both got a 5.0 "B"

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  90. ron Morrison a 5.0

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  91. I see Cary's two tankers, Steven Kent and Noaman Azhar got their wish and stayed at 4.0. Both will be non factors in the Spring and that team will end up middle of the pack as always. Both laid an egg against HP Somabut this Fall. They won't need to throw matches in the Spring.

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  92. Jessica, what happened with your boyfriend?

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  93. Branch will be scrambling now to replace Morrison and Williams. Huge losses for him but definitely levels the playing field at 4.5.

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  94. P Jones is 0-6 for DCC play including Spring/Fall. What an idiot.

    :P

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  95. And P Jones is 9-1 for regular season play (Spring/Fall 2008). What a choker.

    Idiot.

    :P

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  96. Fair, Douglas J. M Frisco TX 4.5 12/31/2008 B

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  97. Cool. I'll be looking forward to seeing you guys in the Spring. Odds on Northwood making the playoffs???. 50-1????

    Fair, Douglas J:)

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  98. So, of those 5.0 players posing as 4.5 level I mentioned in another thread:

    Williams and Morrison were bumped (again).

    Brownlee (Colorado), Viktorin and Pier don't show up on either 4.5 or 5.0 for Dallas 2008, yet.

    That leaves sleezy dirtball...wait, I mean Slezak, Durten, and Molina all benchmarked at 4.5 but ready for a CY09 bump up.

    It's coming folks.

    :P

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  99. Brookhaven/Kramer wins the 3.5 fall city champs and has only 1 player bumped to 4.0, Mark Cline, (and still waiting on Mitterer's update). CC/Jolly has 3 bumps so far (looks like self-rates haven't been updated across the board) and HP/Jamison has 4 so far. I smell something fishy (and I don't think it's Jessica!)

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  100. Crap...wrong year. Helps to look at the 2009 season.

    So let's make that a pathetic prediction of mine since only Williams and Morrison were bumped.

    Pier and Brownlee still show old dates for their ratings as of this post, though. They may get bumped.

    :P

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  101. OK Vik, you're right you were impressive with your 25-3 singles mark in 4.5 yet still saying safely down. However, I have found someone even more impressive, Tim Green. The Houstonite got bumped up last year after losing in the semis of Sectionals to the eventual champs Austin. This year he went 19-5 in tournament singles at 5.0 including winning 4 major zones. He didn't play league so those were his only results (it's nearly impossible to accuse him of tanking with that record). So with a 79% winning rate at 5.0.....he gets bumped DOWN to 4.5. I think he proves your "it's hard to be a 5.0 rated player" theory.
    I'm glad for Tim since he gets out of the death sentence of 5.0 without tanking and he's a good guy but man is this system screwy.

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  102. I'm shocked that my best player stayed at 4.5, but that will help us tremendously in the spring. We saw that after the spring, it is almost impossible to get moved to 5.0.

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  103. Tim has teetered between 4.5 and 5.0 for a while now. He has won 5.0 major zones so I don't understand how he can get moved down. I have heard his game has dropped off considerably over the last couple of years when I got married but it seems to be coming back around.
    He will be at 4.5 Sectionals I predict.

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  104. You're married Corey?

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  105. Bummer...P Jones stays in 4.5 this year. No bump down to 3.5 where he belongs.

    :P

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  106. Thanks for asking. My boy friend stayed at 3.5 but I would still like for him to play 4.5 on Coredawg's team.

    Jessica

    P.S. I don't smell fishy, do I?

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  107. Definately not as fishy as Brookhaven! Mitterer doesn't get bumped up after going 6-2 & 2-1 in the playoffs which Brookhaven wins. Only Cline gets bumped. Tell me that the Brookhaven connection with the USTA both husband and wife don't have anything to do with this BS. Right, it's all the computer, please......

    And one other thing, what's up with LB Houston's Debashis Das self rating at 3.0. What a big ass pussy. That guy is easily a 4.0.

    The only thing that stinks more than Brookhaven and Jessica is the USTA crap. Das washes the smell away with curry & black cardamom shower gel apparently.

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  108. Das got bumped up from 3.0 to 4.0. How does that happen when he only has 3 matches on record, and one is a loss to Gerber? The USTA is wack. Gerber went 8&0 and doesn't get bumped either. Who can figure this out?

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  109. I’m looking forward to reviewing the official release of the ratings.

    It’s very difficult to believe some of the current ratings (up and down).

    It’s also hard to understand how some were rated as a benchmark player versus a computer rated player.

    What’s been stated about being a benchmark player isn’t consistent.

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  110. It does smell a little fishy on the Plano side of town. Any of you guys with Highpoint or Lifetime Fitness know where the smell is going from?

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  111. Please guide us O thou Baseline Jesus during this time of uncertain and mistrust in the holy USTA computer algorithm. You have spoke to us in the past about being strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid … we put our trust in thee. You said, give and it shall be given to you. For whatever measure that has been dealt out to others, it will be dealt back with a return of serve. As Nancy told me this evening, do not gaze at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it goes down smoothly! In the end it bites like a snake, and poisons like a viper. Your eyes will see strange sights and you mind will imagine confusing things like being a 3.5 player versus a 4.5. Please provide us a few words of comfort to help us have a better understanding.

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  112. Maybe Branch can recruit P Jones for their 4.5 team as their waterboy.

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  113. That's probably too much work for him. Better make sure he's the towel rack for the line 1 doubles team.

    :P

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  114. I looked at Tim Green's record and he didn't beat a single 5.0 rated player (I don't know what that says about 5.0 MZ tennis). He'll probably clean house again at 4.5 but that makes it a little easier to see how the computer could drop him down, I guess?

    It sure looks to me that if you don't have success at league sectionals level, it's almost impossible to get bumped from 4.5 to 5.0.

    So :P went 2/8 on guys he thought were out of level at 4.5. Can we agree now that :p doesn't know what a 5.0 looks like?

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  115. For those of you ripping on me, get a life!!! You are obviously a couple of guys who I beat during the year and from the malcontent sound in your voices, I know that I am right. I have not been sandbagging as you claim but have tried hard in all my matches, which is more than I can say than others. For the record I did lose one of my last three matches and not my last two of three. I told you all along that I wanted to finish out 2008 with Lifetime and that is what I did. Now I am moving up and am excited about the next level and the possibility of playing for a new team. If you still have a problem with me and my tennis then I suggest that you focus on yourself because you have no life and from the sounds of it.......no game either!!! Forrest

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  116. If all 8 complete an NTRP clinic, and even 1 is deemed a 4.5 after that (assuming there's no tanking), then I'll concede. Otherwise, I and others who have agreed on here will maintain the position.

    Some didn't get bumped because their teams didn't play in DCC. Without a benchmarking, the computer takes over, and as usual is arbitrary and capricious.

    :P

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  117. The computer is arbitrary huh? Gotcha.

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  118. Bert, Samuel M Allen TX 3.5 12/31/2008 A

    Sammy Slice and Dice does not want to hack it at 4.0

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  119. I know hate'in on Garland players always gets a rise out of people.

    Is this bump up really justified?

    Zackary, Mike M Farmers Branch TX 4.5 12/31/2008 C

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  120. Molina, Enrique A. M Sachse TX 3.5 12/31/2008 B

    Enrique Bumped down to 3.5 without appeal?

    WTF!!!!

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  121. Mike Z needs to hit that appeal button. He won't find much pleasure at 4.5

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  122. Looks like Jessica appealed her boy up to a 4.0: Dolson, Jed M Dallas TX 4.0 12/31/2008 A
    Just as well, that's where he should have self rated for the Fall anyway. Don't know if Sam Grand has a 4.0 team to field for the Spring, so maybe Corey will let him play up on his 4.5 team. Don't expect any wins on that line though if he does.

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  123. Yo :P, can you teach a clinic on how to double fault an entire game?

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  124. Pussy Alert!

    Myers, Brandon M Frisco TX 4.0 12/31/2008 A

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  125. Green will be at sectionals next summer, but he'll have tough matches. He'll be a good 4.5 but not a dominant one, regardless of how he did at 5.0. A great 4.5 these days is an above average 5.0.

    Pescado Tonto

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  126. Outing the appeals is hilarious.

    I think we will all agree on this one - Myers has no business at 4.5. Computers do make mistakes.

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  127. How can you possibly leave Texas Tech out of the argument based solely on the fact that they got beat so badly by Oklahoma. Really a self defeating argument.

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  128. Computer do exactly what they're told to do within their physical limitations. If an idiot programmed the rules for the computer-based eval, expect idiotic results.

    If I were a software developer and I had to deliver a software package to the USTA for this computer eval program, I think I'd consider allowing 2 or 3 simple rules based on random number generation (arbitrary) and then some score/frequency values like the following:

    Any match where the total game tally is 12 games won to 5 games lost (aka 6-3, 6-2) counts as a 5.0 match. Then de-weight according to the line played. Do this for all matches during the regular season. Weight the regular season tally at 33%.

    Then do the same for DCC play, except weight them at 66%.

    Then cast a time in play consideration of a go/no-go of 3 seasons minimum before a bump up is allowed irrespective of the rating that was just tallied at the 33/66 percent values.

    Simple piece of software with a GUI element, rules based entry values in a RDB, and a middle-ware pulling values, running the rules, and outputing to the GUI.

    Done...and completely flawed since it has Zero to do with the skillset. It deals only with a score outcome, which is but one of many elements in the NTRP rule set.

    :P

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  129. Wow, that was technically sound and way to logical. This is the USTA we are talking about.

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  130. Damn, :P, go do some work and quit wasting your time on the blog. This is league tennis we are talking about.

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  131. The NTRP system Ultimately wants everyone to be at a level where they are not consistently successful.

    If you win more that 75% of your matches you will be moved to the next level where you will lose more than 50% of them.

    This is based on playing your same position ex #1 singles or #1 doubles in 4.0 vs 4.5,

    Now if you play singles in 3.5 then move to doubles in 4.0 you might have some success.
    But on average if you go 8-0 in singles then get bumped up, you will be lucky to go 4-4 in singles in the next level.
    DQ 3.5 singles players like Dewayne Ahner and Glen Floria are average 4.0 players at best.

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  132. IMPOSSIBLE! Glen Flora is a 4.5 superstar! Have you not been paying attention.

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  133. If I don't win every match I play,
    Then I don't want to play!

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  134. I do not know Huffman or Green's league results, but I do know their game, neither can play doubles at a high 4.5 level. And in singles they are good, but not elite 4.5, serviceable, but average.

    old school

    I would think Dustin would crush either of them

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  135. Did Eddie stay 4.0? If the computer takes ego into account he might get bumped to 5.0. Although after the city playoffs his ego should be about a 3.5.

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  136. This seems to be a good topic every season so let's try it. Who of the bump-ups will have the most success at their new level? It looks like many of them will appeal but is that because none of them would win at the higher level?

    Thoughts?

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  137. I guess since Brandon's team made the playoffs that eliminates the benchmark theory since he appealed successfully.

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  138. here is another good one, how many of the bumpups wont play at all since to 5.0 there arent many teams and you dont get to play much

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  139. Hey :P. I just ran your program. Your GUI is off by .5173. You might want to make the adjustment for accuracy reasons. If not, you are just throwing the names and ratings against the wall to see where they stick.

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  140. Jean Nguyen and Joel Pickett will have success at the next level.

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  141. At 4.5, don't see any 4.0 bump ups that will "dominate". Some might finish with winning records (probably in doubles.

    3.5 bump ups typically do well in 4.0 as this is a much smaller jump.

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  142. Regarding the 2 HP guys mentioned - in doubles only. Neither would be able to win a playoff singles match, even at line 2.

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  143. I played an scrimmage match between 4.0 and 4.5 and I did not see a huge jump in quality of play. Its not as hard as I imagined it would be. Others should try it. Might be surprised by what they find.

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  144. I think as always the top players that get moved up will be around .500 at the new level. Top 3.5s can't compete with top 4.0s, Top 4.0s can't compete with top 4.5s, etc. But somebody who was undefeated at a lower level should be able to win most of their matches at the next level. We had plenty of examples of this this season.
    I agree that Jean and Joel will do well because they've already played some 4.5 doubles and know they can compete.

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  145. Some benchmark players can apparently appeal their rating and get pushed down. Other benchmark players cannot appeal.

    Does anyone understand what's happening?

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  146. Benchmark has nothing to do with it. It is based on your dynamic rating - period. If you are more than .05 over the level you are trying to appeal down to, it will be denied.

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  147. Pussy Alert

    Dolson, Jed M Dallas TX 4.0 12/31/2008 A

    Anyone know who this is?

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  148. Haney, Robert C. M Mesquite TX 3.5 12/31/2008 A


    What's wrong don't want to leave Daddy's team?

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  149. Milke, Carl M Dallas TX 3.5 12/31/2008 A


    Trying to "Milk" another season out of 3.5?

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  150. Look at December 2, 2008 7:57 AM post....you have it backwards, Dolson appealed up, not down, becuase Jessica knows he's no 3.5.

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  151. Little lady:

    Newman, Terry M Dallas TX 3.5 12/31/2008 A

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  152. Oh Roy Boy

    Smith, Roy W. M McKinney TX 3.5 12/31/2008 A

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  153. National USTA regulations seem to say that Benchmark players cannot appeal their rating for one year.

    Yet we see several benchmark players actually granted appeals.

    I dont understand how some of our "B" benchmark players are winning appeals.

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  154. That starts at end of 2009

    R E A D !

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  155. it must be not a national rule as I just tried to appeal a teamate who has a "B" and the auto-appeal was denied due to being a benchmark, even though she played one set at State and retired sick.

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  156. I just moved here last year & friends in my former section have not been granted appeals because of being benchmark (B)desiganted players. This is really strange.

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  157. My appeal was denied flat out because I'm labeled benchmark. So I don't see how any benchmark player could appeal successfully.

    And to the pussy alert guy....you can't get me because my appeal was denied. If it had been granted, I'd happily let you label me a pussy.

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  158. Roy Smith played 4.0 in Spring and was bumped down to 3.5 at mid-year.
    He didn't play in the fall and was bumped back up at year end.

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  159. My appeal was denied, but even though I have a "B", the reason given was my dynamic rating was more than .05 out of the level I wanted to go.

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  160. Bob Kayser, Terry Newman and Bob Haney were all listed as level 4.0 B (for Benchmark) yesterday.

    Today they have each appealed and were allowed to go back down to level 3.5.

    Why are some benchmarks not allowed to appeal and others are???

    Does anybody really know?

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  161. Jessica told me it is about 3.5 when erect.

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  162. To be a true Benchmark, you had to play in the playoffs last year. Did each of those players truly do that, regardless of what letter was next to their name. I know Mr. Voss does meet this criteria.

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  163. according to Tosha - if you played in the playoffs of any sort this season and got bumped up - you will not be allowed to appeal.

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  164. Is this a tx thing or a usta thing. where is my good friend ar hacker when i need him for the good stuff.

    AR HACKER RULES
    AR HACKER RULES

    please educate us and give us clarity on the events of this most dreadful turn of events.

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  165. I do know that both Meyers & Jordan both played in the City
    4.0 Championship this past
    summer (July).

    That should have classified them both as "B" players & like Voss should have not been granted an appeal down.

    What does the DTA have to say about the appeal situation??????

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  166. DTA does not get involved as all rating are handled at the State level.

    What I want everyone to do right now is go and appeal, whether you want to or not and lets see what the hit rate is.

    Myself, a 4.5 B- DENIED.

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  167. Racer X, brute force algorithm cracking methods are all about throwing guesses against a wall to see if they stick. It wouldn't take much time given the expansiveness of the list and the available matchups, scores, ratings and events to derive the rule set. If the USTA site were faster at pulling up an individuals scores, I'd put the activity at less than a week to crack the computer methods.

    And note that GUI stands for "Graphical User Interface" so that good OOP practices say that a well designed GUI holds no algorithmic (middle layer) computational capability. Look up the "MVC" (Model, View, Controller) framework on Wiki for a definition of prevalent, best-practice software design if you care to understand more in this area. You'd have been accurate if you just said "program".

    :P

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  168. I think the key factor as to whether a "B" benchmark player is alble to appeal or not is whether that play advanced to the Sectional Level. That would explain why Voss was unable to appeal and others with a "B" have been able to appeal. That maens at the 4.0 level no player from HP Somabut or SP Walters would have been able to appeal.

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  169. Please excuse the horrible spelling in the previous post!

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  170. Good to finally have an account on here.

    :P

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  171. Forrest -

    Your a crybaby!

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  172. No! Forrest is a b i g pussy!

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  173. Bob Kayser is a pussy for moving back down!

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  174. Terry Newman is a pussy for moving back down!

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  175. Bob Hazey is a pussy for moving back down!

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  176. Samuel Bert - What are you thinking? Have some balls and move up! Be a big boy! What a pussy!

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  177. poster 8:18pm, you need grammar lessons.

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  178. Enrique Molina -

    I agree … WTF? WTF are you thinking? Dude you were the number one 3.5 singles player in the state for ¾ of the year and finish second overall. It’s time to move up! Why did you appeal? You should have moved up last year. You’re a joke and so is the USTA’s system for generating the ratings.

    Anyone – how does this guy allowed to appeal his ranking.

    The USTA’s system has some serious flaws.

    What a crime!

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  179. Questions and answers:

    Why is Forrest a crybaby? Where did he even come into play on this? The man is playing 4.5 like he should and taking it like a man, and not appealing!

    Samuel Bert - a Good 3.5 player. he does not have the shot selection of a 4.0 yet.

    Enrique Molina. - Strategy of a strong 3.5 player, not a 4.0 player when it comes to his play. Have you seen his play? Stay at 3.5 for another year or 2, you need it.

    Milke. 3.5 player, always will be, always should be. He should be the Mendoza line of tennis. (google it if you don't know what the Mendoza line means. He is the spitting image of it).

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  180. I just want to know if some of those OC guys tanked on purpose to get back to 3.5?

    Does anyone have any comments about that? Looks like Al Bundy still re-living his football days to me... IN THE SHOE STORE.

    Come on guys!!! How about just work on improving your game instead?

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  181. Clarification on Forrest. As far as I know. If he does appeal, then yes, HE IS A PUSSY FOR DOING IT!!!

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  182. Add Chan from HP, Goheen and Ereckson from Westlake and Palacioz from Greenhill to the appeals back to 3.5.

    My bet is that of the 40 players that played 3.5 in the fall and got bumped, by the time we are done, there will be at least 15 that appeal back down successfully.

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  183. Palacioz is NOT a 3.5!!!! Add him to the PUSSY ALERT!!!

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  184. Sam Bert - Forever 3.5. Doesn't know how to improve his game. Enjoy beating up on guys out of your level. Must feel guuud.

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  185. I thought Enrique got moved down to 3.5, didn't appeal down. If that is true you guys have no grounds for attacking him. I really haven't been able to figure out this benchmark rule from the start and still don't. I tried to get clarification from Jane but all I got was a cut-and-pasted reproduction of the rule according to the USTA, not the interpretation.

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  186. Enrique Molina did not appeal !!! He somehow got moved back down to 3.5 after a mid season 4.0 rating

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  187. This is a very interesting case that the USTA (Tosha Smith and company) needs to study and understand how something like this happens.

    The facts -

    - Enrique Molina has been playing leagues and tournaments for the last couple of years.

    - He has continued to move up and improved over the last two years.

    - He did very well in league play. Went 6 – 1

    - Did very well in tournament play last year (2007). Had a great record.

    - Enrique had a good spring league season (2008) @ 3.5. Went 3 – 2. Should have went 4 – 1, but he gave up on a match. (I was there).

    - Had a great year in his tournament play (won a major, did well at all the majors, ended the year at #2, etc, etc).

    - Was bumped mid year from 3.5 to 4.0.

    - During the 2008 fall, Enrique did very well with his tournament play. Made it to the Master’s tournament, etc.

    - During the 2008 fall league played on a 4.0 team. Enrique went 1 – 3. All of his matches were very competitive.

    - Gets bumped back down to 3.5 at the end of the year.

    This just case just doesn’t make any sense what so ever. Whatever algorithm the USTA came up with really needs to be reviewed.

    Please take 10 – 15 mins and review Enrique record / performance and try to understand why / how he got bumped back down to the 3.5 level.

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  188. I took one for the team.

    I was surprised my appeal was granted. I thought my player record would have kept me at 4.

    I look at the bump down as a good thing. I can play 3.5 and 4.

    I welcome the invitations to 4.0.

    Contact me at jtpalaciozjr@yahoo.com

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  189. For the courageous anon who is calling everybody a pussy, tell us who you are big man. At least guys like Voss and Forrest sign their names to their blogs. You are probably a beginner who is mad at the world because the system actually asks others to move up. So just sit at home with one hand on your cock and the other on your mouse and bash away big man. Remember that the start of a new 2.0 season is right around the corner for you!!

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  190. I support calling out the pussy appeals - its hilarious so keep them coming.

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  191. Just to see how this rule worked I tested the "A" button and here is what it said:

    Automated appeal requested down for Lucky Thunder is denied because player designated as Benchmark above the local league level, or Disqualified cannot request an automated appeal at this time.

    Appeal requested by Lucky Thunder
    Rating Before Appeal
    NTRP Level: 4.0 NTRP Rating Type: B

    Rating After Appeal
    NTRP Level: 4.0 NTRP Rating Type: B


    So I guess if you went to sectionals in an event you are included in this rule?? But I was at sectionals in 2007. I still don't get it to be honest. Kevin Windham was bumped to 4.5 with a "B" not sure where his benchmark came from, not sad his forehand is gone from 4.0.

    BTW, thanks OC BL for starting this train. I was happy we didn't lose anyone because I like my team but since Bob's team lost two and gained Steven and Keith they are still are very powerful team and even more stacked at doubles if that is possible.

    Looking forward to April see you then.

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  192. Automated Appeal Decision

    Automated appeal requested down for Anonymous is denied. Adult player cannot be granted an automated appeal at this time, because their NTRP computerized rating is more than .05 from their next Play level down.

    Appeal requested by Anonymous
    Rating Before Appeal
    NTRP Level: 4.5 NTRP Rating Type: B

    Rating After Appeal
    NTRP Level: 4.5 NTRP Rating Type: B

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  193. For all you 3.5 players:

    Please stop wasting your time on this blog, get in the weight room, hit on the ball machine, and most importantly learn how to play some decent tennis.

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  194. 3.5 tennis must be a Dallas thing. I notice on the Houston Blog they will NEVER mention 3.5ers, and frankly they treat the 4.0's like step children.

    Let's step it up DFW.

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  195. Their is nothing wrong with the 3.5, 4.0, 4.5 spread in Dallas,

    The more divisions that there are the more people will be encouraged to play.

    How bout this argument "Why don't you 4.0 pussy's nut up and play 4.5"

    or

    "Why don't you 4.5 girls take off the skirts and play 5.0"

    Why don't you you play some Futures tournaments?

    Your such a Fag, why can't you qualify for the US Open.

    It's real easy to criticize the people who are not as good as you.

    Why don't you just worry about what You need to do to get to the next level or win a tournament.

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  196. 3.5 Pussy alert

    Chan, Peter Shan M Plano TX 3.5 12/31/2008 A

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