3.5:
Pictures to your right. Well it was the Oakridge v. LTF showdown we predicted. Lifetime much like the poll predicted (note to self, make the poll then make your prediction) beat Oakridge in a close match. I got to watch the 45 minutes of this match and there is some good talent on the LTF team, not sure how the stack up for next week but they are definitely in contention.
4.0:
Flight A dominated the weekend with TBar M and LTF headed to the DCC. Congrats to those teams. Glad to see Nishaki back in action he will make their doubles teams a threat which along with Eddie and Forrest at singles will be a upstart team none of the big boys want to see next weekend.
4.5:
More of an upset than LTF was Royal Oaks beating OC/Feldman. Most were already talking about Feldman's team and how they matched up with the other TX powers but now much like mine and many other teams they will be relegated to the sidelines. Congrats to Royal Oaks!! Many had said when they got their act together they were dangerous and we will see just how dangerous next weekend.
Corey's Noel's team took the other DCC slot in a close win over Brookhaven. Good win Mr. Noel!! Give 'em hell next weekend. I will make sure to catch one of your matches next weekend. I am ready to see a schedule so I can plan out my viewing parties.
(General note: I know some have noted that singles play looks out of level but hmmmm it has been that way since league play started and I have always said as have others that singles and doubles is a different game and ratings are hard to define in those parameters. I can hang with just about all doubles players that will be playing next weekend at the DCC but I doubt you could find the worst line 2 singles player on any DCC that couldn't beat me soundly. I don't think anything is wrong with that some of us out of shape guys just have to accept we are not league singles players. Maybe once we have "singles" and "doubles" only leagues as Houston and others do us out of shape guys can become valuable as a line 4 singles player.)
ReplyDeleteFor the first time all season Lifetime will have all players in town and availible to play at the DCC. look forward to seeing that.
ReplyDeleteIn 3.5, I like Lifetime and Garland to finsh 1st and 2nd. HighPoint is probably a very strong 3rd. It should be good.
ReplyDeletein 4.0 I see a HP- Lifetime final with Lifetime getting revenge for an early season loss.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone think they can knock Branch off in 4.5?
ReplyDeleteCongrats to LifeTime. Well played and you guys have a bunch of nice guys on your team.
ReplyDeleteGood luck next week. Give them hell.
Enrique Molina
I do not think anyone can knock off Branch but with a 2nd Bid for Dallas, 2nd Place will be just fine. I think it will be a dog fight between Royal Oaks, T-Bar, and Village.
ReplyDeleteWhen Cary says he can hang with most doubles teams playing next weekend, I assume he is talking about 3.5 doubles teams.
ReplyDeleteNow that's Funny. And True.
ReplyDeleteYes Lifetime Should finish 1st in the Cities,
ReplyDeleteThey are the best 2 loss team in the history of ever,
I don't know why we made them even play in the QT,
They only dropped 2 lines to Oak Ridge and CC out of a lack of interest.
After all this is the team that had "Jonathan Marcus".
We should just all take up a collection to pay for their airfare to the Nationals.
I Love Lifetime Fitness!!!!
Please try to raise enough money for NetJets. It would make the trip a little easier.
ReplyDeleteSounds like sour grapes oc bl from someone not moving on.
ReplyDeleteOC went straight to cities in the same flight Lifetime was in.
ReplyDeleteForget about NetJets, they are over rated. Flexjet is the way to go. Much better private jets and I can get you a great deal.
ReplyDeleteEnrique
Cary, please separate 3.5 and 4.0 talk on the streams. I could care less about what is going on in the 3.5 division.
ReplyDeleteLTF 3.5 has got to do better. Their meat and potatoes 3 line doubles win formula has gone south. If their doubles lines don't get back on track quickly, this will not be a fun weekend for them. Looks like these guys need a lot of stroke and net play between now and Saturday to work the bugs out.
ReplyDeleteDon't start with that the best ever & LT should have gone directly to playoffs. Look at their matches. They did not walk over really anyone. They lost 2 doubles lines against Greenhill & the another line of doubles won in 2nd set tie breaker, then lost 2 doubles lines against Oak Ridge. They are a nice team, but don't see them taking DCC. Remember there is only 2 lines of singles....Add two 4.0 singles to all the teams this past weekend, & it would be a real dog fight, but not one that winner takes all at DCC. Give some credit to Oak Ridge, Greenhill, Canyon Creek/Jolly , & Westlake.
ReplyDeleteDon't start with that the best ever & LT should have gone directly to playoffs. Look at their matches. They did not walk over really anyone. They lost 2 doubles lines against Greenhill & the another line of doubles won in 2nd set tie breaker, then lost 2 doubles lines against Oak Ridge. They are a nice team, but don't see them taking DCC. Remember there is only 2 lines of singles....Add two 4.0 singles to all the teams this past weekend, & it would be a real dog fight, but not one that winner takes all at DCC. Give some credit to Oak Ridge, Greenhill, Canyon Creek/Jolly , & Westlake.
ReplyDeleteFunny went on ESPN this morning & they had no comments about LT
ReplyDeleteInteresting that ALL three lines won by Life Time 3.5 against Oakridge involved their self-rated ringers.
ReplyDelete#1 self-rated ringer, Johan Mudsam, beat Sam Bert 6-0,6-2 at #1 singles. #2 self-rated ringer, Chris Tuorto, beat Ryan Curren at #2 singles. And #3 self-rated ringer, Andy Mahr, won #2 doubles.
LTF lost both lines where they used computer rated players.
Both Mudsam and Tuorto looked awesome yesterday. But both will get slaughtered by Flora and Courtney from Garland. Won't even be close!
To July 14, 2008 6:57 AM
ReplyDeleteI think that was tongue in cheek humour from Oakcreek. Obviously, Liftime has some serious holes revealed this weekend.
Did you mean the LTF self rated "ringer" that got double bagled by Enrique during the season?
ReplyDeleteI like how a guy in Arkansas is the source of info for Dallas 4.5 tennis. Royal Oaks can easily beat Branch but they need the exact same lineup they had for the Feldman match. Can a bunch of teaching pros take two weekends in a row off, doubt it.
ReplyDeleteHe is far enough away that Rusty can't keep him quiet anymore I guess.
ReplyDeleteHaha, to bad I lived in Dallas/FtWorth for 15 years and played league for 8 years and I am a nerd with names and stats.
ReplyDeleteI think Branch in the end will be to tough for Royal Oaks.
With Branch and James in Singles I would put them up against any team in the state.
Royal Oaks will have a shot if Gonzales and Bui are playing singles. Molina/Rauschuber in doubles. Problem will be when the members ask to play over the pros, which R.O.C.C. being a private club will need to play members in order to have a team next year.
Also Branch beat Royal Oaks 3-2 at the end of the season with a relatively weak line-up for Branch.
Will be fun and look forward to everyone's reports.
Wonder which team would win the 3.5 City Championship if we all played only with computer rated players???
ReplyDeleteWell the USTA would be the one to try and end the saga of Self-rated players dominating in many leagues. I believe it was last year in 3.0 or 3.5 that the Caribbean won Nationals with 11 of 13 players being self-rated.
ReplyDeletePersonally I think teams should be limited to 16-18 players and no more than 33% of the team can be self-rated.
Similar to what the NJCAA did with Tennis in that no more than 2 scholarships could be handed out to foreign players (of course that was 11 years ago now). Just my penny for what is worth.
So, how long does it take for the computer to work out a rating for me? I started playing again this April after 5 years of complete absence of tennis. This is actually the first time ever I play in the USTA leagues.
ReplyDeleteyou will have a rating beginning tomorrow when the ESR's are published. They will be used for the Fall leagues in Texas Section.
ReplyDeletewhere can you see the computer generated ratings for all the players?
ReplyDeleteTo view NTRP ratings go to:
ReplyDeletewww.texas.usta.com
then select:
USTA Leagues
then in the drop down menu select:
NTRP Ratings
Early Season Ratings are not out yet for 2008.
should link to all 4.0 League players for the Dallas Spring League. http://tennislink.usta.com/leagues/reports/NTRP/SearchResults.asp?Search=TreeNode&update=1&NationalNodeID=3635828&CYear=2008&SectionNodeID=3635845&DistrictNodeID=3635930&SubDistrictNodeID=3636228&DivisionNodeID=3637849&FlightNodeID=3647572&GenderCode=M&NTRPRating=
ReplyDeleteBranch and James can't hang with San Antonio's singles. Hell, they may have trouble with Houston wild. I think Phan handled Rusty easily one year and Phoummarath may have beaten James too.
ReplyDelete2006Sectionals: Branch went 3-0 and split Sets with major Ringer Trent Broach, when match was clinched.
ReplyDelete2005 Sectionals: Branch went 3-0 all in straight sets.
2004 Sectionals: he lost to Phan and Steve Campbell (now a 5.0).
You have to go back 4 years for a loss at Sectuionals.
When Rusty wants to play he can beat most anyone.
Wesley is a little more vulnerable, but Sectionals I could see Dibua, Maingot, or Galvan as one of the few who could be Branch or James.
So you don't think Phan, Phoummarath or Hasker could possibly win both lines against Rusty and Wesley?
ReplyDeleteI would be shocked if Oak Creek Branch (assuming they advance) lost both singles matches in a match at city of sectionals.
ReplyDeleteLast year I think Holland and Case would have beat them, but this year I do not see a 1-2 punch that could KO both James and Branch on any team. Most teams could split and then come down to the doubles.
As much as I detest it, Branch is a master at working the NTRP system into his advantage.
To Mr. J. Mudsam,
ReplyDeleteWhat college did you play for?
Molina did take out Andy from Lifetime 0 & 0, but that must have been a tank job for sure.
I didn't play for any college in the US. I'm originally from Sweden, me and my family moved here three years go. The tennis system in Sweden is based on private tennis clubs, not schools. So you don't have school based teams or leagues, which makes it hard to compare.
ReplyDeleteWesley James can't handles singles vs Houston, SA, and others at sectionals and you name names ????
ReplyDeleteWESLEY JAMES IS A HERO AND ROLE MODEL TO ALL OF US WHO PLAY THE GREAT GAME.....and owns Ted P - you can tell Ted that 'annonymous' said so......
Here is the line you refer to when you mention that Wesley can't handle Houston or Ted P, etc etc :
match # 2118942
Dates : 8/13/2005
Ted T. Phoummarath Def
Wesley James
6-7, 0-3 #1 Singles
If you look at the score : Wesley won the first set and was up 3-0 in the second...He defaulted the line when the match became irrellevant.
They will be no sweeping in singles.
thanks,
Wesley's Mother
I'm glad to see some 4.5 talk on this blog finally. Royal Oaks has been a mystery all season with their inconsistent lineup. Did anybody see Joey's loss on Sunday? Seems questionable since he won 6-0, 6-0 on Saturday. He did the same thing in his final match of last season. I could be wrong but I would like to know if anybody was watching. I really think every team in the 4.5 has a chance to make Sectionals.
ReplyDeleteJ. Mudsam actually beat me twice. I tried right handed and left handed. Obviously I should have tried two rackets at the same time.
ReplyDeleteHey at least I won two games!!!!
Samuel Bert
Everyone's talking about Branch and James and they aren't even the best singles players on their OWN TEAM! Jeremy Stone was playing at Trinity U. as recently as two years ago, a perennial top 10 Div. 3 school. Should be a 5.5 according to the Guidelines. Ha!
ReplyDeleteno problem Corey, but you did scare me with an earlier comment you ended with a "?" not sure if that was on purpose.
ReplyDeleteI saw 3.5 last weekend so I am going to make a point to come watch some 4.5 action this coming weekend and maybe a little 3.5 or 4.0. I think I am going to hit the round where you all play TBar and Royal Oaks plays OC/Branch so hopefully I can see all the big guns at one time.
I commend you for trying to go at the right way and you know I am learning it is much less stressful (still stressful) that way because you aren't having to worry about strikes, recruiting new ringers, etc. You can just keep a core of players playing at the right level and over time they should improve if they don't then you make deletions and subtractions. sorry to make players sound like numbers but....
I need to scout you a little as well Mr. Noel, I still owe you and Big Guy a beating. I know when we first came up with the challenge it was an 8.0 challenge match and I think by tomorrow afternoon it will be an 8.5 challenge match as Kirby and John should get moved up half a point.
I'm ready to see some MSRs tomorrow.
I Love You Mom. For the record, I was up a set and a couple of breaks against Phoummorath and walked off the court. We had everything won at the time. That kid wore a sweat shirt, pants, a couple of T shirts, a huge hat, and some kick ass sun glasses during our match and it was hot as hell outside. He is probably a 5.5 if he played in a t shirt and shorts.
ReplyDeleteMolina did not throw that match against Frink. That was some good solid tennis. Both those players look really tough.
Ted was giving you that second set when it became clear we couldn't win that match 4-1. Rusty outfoxed us by having you retire. I think it would be a good match if you both played all out, assuming neither of you have gotten worse in the last couple of years.
ReplyDeleteJ. Mudsam didnt play college tennis in the U.S., he was busy working on his game at one of those Sweedish tennis camps. He has a couple of junior wins over S. Edburg, and Matts Wielander but hasnt played in a couple of years. We cant wait to get him on our 4.0 Lifetime team next season where he will bump me from line one singles to line two, then we will really kick some butt!!!
ReplyDeleteE. Hill
I am not questioning Molina's 2 losses. Paul Kiron is a very good player and Kole Frink is a talented junior (more or less). Plus the matches were close, if he was tanking it would have been 2,2 or so sorts.
ReplyDeleteAs for Stone I did not realize he played at Trinity, obviously the captains are not going to file a grievance, somewhat sad in my opinion.
The self-rate questionaire is a joke and allows way to many players to flat out lie without consequences and the local, state, and sectional officials are doing very little to combat it.
With very little effort I found out that Jeremy Stone played in the 2006 USTA/ITA National Tournament for Trinity. He played #6 singles and won in the fifth place match. Trinity was seeded #4. He is computer rated, so I doubt he can have a successful grievence filed against him unless he originally self-rated and lied about his previous college experience. If some captains don't know some of this information it's because they are lazy. In the internet age, if you played a high level of tennis, it will be out there.
ReplyDeleteJeremy has had a computer rating of 4.5 since 2003. He has played on 3 teams at 4.5 and has a 3-4 record. He is legit and a good pickup for Branch.
ReplyDeleteIt's obvious that you don't know how DQ's work and you are on the Branch team trying to squash the attention given to Jeremy Stone. Computer rating means nothing and his record means nothing. I am on an opposing team and will be reporting Stone if he plays against our team. I urge any other team to do the same if you play against Stone at Dallas City Playoffs and/or Sectionals. Based on his previous college experience for a top ranked college which can be viewed very easily at collegetennisonline.com he will most likely be DQ'd as soon as he plays. He could very well end up costing Branch and your team when he plays. Good Luck!
ReplyDeleteI think Branch knows the rules a little better than you do, buddy. Computer rating DOES mean something.
ReplyDeleteThe only way a computer rated player can be DQ'd is by red flags. You can protest all you want but it won't get you anywhere.
ReplyDeleteLearn the rules!
Looks like the Branch team is worried as you should be! We will all learn the rule soon enough. There are no hard and fast rules when it comes to the DQ. I've seen a computer rated player get DQ'd before. Common sense would tell you that just because a player doesn't get caught by the system as a self-rate and receives a computer rating they can still be DQ'd if they are playing below level according to the Guidelines. Stone is a 5.5 according to the Guidelines and will be DQ'd in 4.5 playoffs. If he were marginal he would probably slide by but a full level will get you bumped to at least 5.0. We'll all find out soon enough. No need to dispute on a blog.
ReplyDeleteCheck out the last line below directly from the NTRP section on the usta.com site or you can simply click on the 'About NTRP Ratings' link on the right side of the tennislink page. Can't be any clearer than that.
ReplyDelete"In an effort to avoid disqualification when players are rating themselves and they question which level they should play, they should place themselves in the higher level of play. Players must rate themselves in accordance with the NTRP.
Players who are good athletes and intend to spend a great deal of time taking lessons and practicing should be aware that their improvement may be significant enough to surpass their original self-rate level. All players, both self-rated and computer rated, are subject to disqualification through Sectional Championships."
You can ramble all you want. The whole logic behind having a "computer" rating is that you have played matches, had results and the computer has determined your level. It does not matter if you lied last year or 10 years ago when you first started.
ReplyDeleteIf you could have every person DQ'd for initially lying on thier self-rating about 30-40% of everyone playing right now would be subject to DQ.
It does not happen that way. This is why the slimy, shady captains play their future ringers on some meaningless mixed doubles team or they sign up for a late year tournament at the incorrect level so that they can generate a valid computer rating.
The ONLY way a computer rated person can be DQ'd is through red flags. That's it, nothing more.
wow, it's spelled out for you and you just can't take it. You're proven wrong and still want to dispute it. Jeremy Stone will be DQ'd if he plays against us. I don't doubt that you will get through your little City Playoff but I hope I see him in the lineup against us. What a dumb comment to say that it doesn't matter if you lied last year. The captain is also in jeopardy if a player on their team lied in the self-rate process. Stone's history is pretty clear so I hope the self-rate agrees with his actual history or Branch could be out too.
ReplyDeletePoin, counter point, point, counter point - i say file the grievance PLEASE - i would love to see Jeremy get kicked out and branch still beat your team 4-1. just for all of the crying you are doing.
ReplyDeleteoh wait, branch gets kicked out too as you state and the you only lose 3-2. congrats, you barely lost.....
Some people just refuse to understand the rules. Please explain to me where in the rules, be specific, that you think someone can file a greivance based on previously lying on their self-rating application "PRE" getting a computer rating.
ReplyDeleteOr better yet, provide me 1 example of anyone EVER being DQ'd with a current computer rating for previously incorrectly completing their self-rating form. YOU CAN'T!!!
It has been tried and it has NEVER worked and NEVER will.
I GUARANTEE YOU THAT STONE DOES NOT GET DQ'D. Let's turn around Monday and see whose right.
Let's turn around on Monday and "do the hokey pokey AAAND turn ourselves around.....that's what it's all about..... - HEY."
ReplyDeleteI think he referenced the proof before...
ReplyDeleteAll players, both self-rated and computer rated, are subject to disqualification through Sectional Championships.
ok, you are correct, we are wrong - now can we just do the hokey pokey. wesley's sister
ReplyDeleteOf course they are subject to disqaulification, but only by the computer through red flags - not by bitching and filing protests (I'm only talking about computer rated players, self rated players are fair game at any time).
ReplyDeleteEven Better Point - You / We win. Kiss off, you whiners. Now let's all join together and do the hokey pokey and hope no one has a hurt ankle this weekend.
ReplyDeleteEven Better Point - You / We win. Kiss off, you whiners. Now let's all join together and do the hokey pokey and hope no one has a hurt ankle this weekend.
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