Since Cary appears to be suffering from a post-season tennis nervous break down after his crippling play-off loss, I thought I would pick up the rock and start the year end ratings ying-yang.
Who will be bumped up?
Who will appeal down?
And how many Anon's will judge you for it?
3.5 Ratings
4.0 Ratings
4.5 Ratings
Here is some info for the little ladies who want to appeal their rating.
go to the USTA ratings website.
Search for yourself by USTA number. (Only the USTA number, not Name)
The put on your dress, and appeal away.
How do Harvey, Dolson, and maybe Acosta not get bumped to 4.0? Especially Harvey and Dolson, given that they advanced to DCC.
ReplyDeleteTheir ratings have not been updated yet. Wait for the 12/31/2008 to show before complaining.
ReplyDeleteIt looks like most of the ratings do have 12/31/2008 by them.
ReplyDeleteSeems really odd. Take Doug Fair for example, still showing a "T" rating from 2006.
ReplyDeleteAm I correct in hearing if you have a "B" next you your name, forget appealing?
Have patience - the list is still being updated.
ReplyDeleteDid dustin get bumped to 5.0?
ReplyDeleteFair will get bumped.
ReplyDeleteWalt Williams bumped
ReplyDeleteI thought the ratings were showing up today or tomorrow?
ReplyDeleteVoss and Newman get split up. Although they probably should both be 4.5, I am surprised it was Tim that got to keep his 4.0 rating.
ReplyDeleteHalf of these are still not updated. The USTA will post on their site when the list is finished. OC BL, you are always on the ball when these things come out though. Are you sure you don't work for the USTA?
ReplyDeleteThis is crazy!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteHow do you configure the search to look for Houston as the district?
ReplyDeleteThe USTA is a very secretive organization much like the illuminati or the masons.
ReplyDeleteYou can never be sure of who is involved in the decisions over there.
Can anyone confirm if the Dallas Fall League matches count in the EOY Ratings?
ReplyDeleteChristopher,
ReplyDeleteThis is how you do it.
1) Close your internet browser.
2) go back to the Houston tennis blog here you belong.
Thank you for visiting the Dallas Tennis Blog
Chris:
ReplyDeleteHere you go
http://tennislink.usta.com/
leagues/reports/NTRP/
FindRating.asp
that is a great question. Love to know if it does or not.
ReplyDeleteCome on folks, don't be a 713-hater. I may be up there soon.
ReplyDeletelooks to me like they're doing the benchmark Srs first.
ReplyDeleteI'm back to 4.0. I just don't understand how the system works.
ReplyDeleteThere is "some" manual intervention Keith. Someone at the office looked at their screen saw your name, paused for a quick chuckle, then put you back at 4.0 where you belong.
ReplyDeleteHey - at least they let you take Steven with you.
Keith - please ask Adam how much he is looking forward to those 5.0 tournaments next year.
ReplyDeleteI was shocked you and Steven are back down. Did you guys even have a losing record in 4.5 this time? The fall playoffs are supposed to be factored in to these new ratings. Three Branch players from spring moved up so far, 0 from Feldman, brookhaven, northwood, or royal oaks.
ReplyDeleteKeith appeals and cannot get back down after midseason and goes 3-0 at 4.5 in the fall and they bump him back down. There is no reason for that. I am not beating Keith up but that is just plain weird. Had you guys gone 0-3 and embarassed yourselves, I could understand it. Oh well, I bet Somabut is smiling from ear to ear.
ReplyDeleteI went 4-2 in 4.5. I think Keith was 3-0.
ReplyDeleteThe losses in the playoffs that I had pulled Keith and I back down to 4.0.
Will you guys play both in the spring or just 4.0?
ReplyDeleteSteven is right though because mid-season ratings came out prior to spring playoffs so those matches were factored in too. Still makes no sense though with their tournament record.
ReplyDeleteIt is interesting how Hollywood, Hai, Joel and Voss get bumped to 4.5 while Brouer, Robinson, Smith and Newman are 4.0. Appears as though Newman's singles kept him down while Joel's singles bumped him up? The much maligned Molina stays at 4.5.
ReplyDeleteA lot of the bump downs also have to do with Texas' performace at Nationals don't forget.
ReplyDeleteI don't follow the Benchmark rankings. You get a benchmark rating if you had advanced to the playoffs. However, most advance at one level, and then get bumped a level higher. They shouldn't benchmark them at the higher rating, only if they remain at the same level. Specifically, several 3.5s that played in the Spring playoffs got bumped to 4.0 and are now showing a year end ranking of 4.0 benchmark player. ??? that is bogus.
ReplyDeleteCan you appeal if your ranking is benchmark vs. computer???
bkaiser
I noticed that too. All computer-rated players should have a chance at an appeal but not benchmarks.
ReplyDeleteDid P Jones get bumped down to 4.0?
ReplyDeleteI believe if you were a "B" last year, and have now been bumped - you can not appeal.
ReplyDeleteI agree you shouldn't show as a B t the new higher level, not sure what that is all about.
Note: I am a moron like everyone else on this blog typing about how I THINK this should work, which most likely makes it not so.
Interesting Anonymous moron - so last question. Does a year end rating of "A" which means you appealed last year, have a stronger meaning than a "B".
ReplyDeleteDoes the rules for Benchmark apply to those on appeal?
I don't believe the A from last season should affect your ability to appeal this season. Appeals are supposed to be based strictly on your exact computer rating, except for the new benchmark system. You could conceivably appeal successfully every season.
ReplyDeleteKinda strange but it looks like the Dallas ratings have a lot more 12/31/2008 than some other places like Houston or NOHO where most of their ratings still show 2007.
ReplyDeleteMost of the people with an A, also still have a 2007 or early 2008 rating. My guess is that a lot more of the A's will be changed to C's or B's once this thing gets closer to finalized. Just a guess. I also guessed that by now people would be so tired of the BCS that we would have a better system in place. The horns got screwed!
ReplyDeleteBenchmark doesn't mean you are about to get bumped to a higher level. It just means you advanced to the playoffs.
ReplyDeleteAll the Horns had to do was win that game against Tech. If you didn't win them all, you didn't get screwed.
ReplyDeleteIts all about who lost first. How do you think Tech feels? They weren't even in the conversation because they happened to lose last.
ReplyDeleteDid P Jones get bumped down to 4.0?
ReplyDeleteLook it up yourself
ReplyDeleteThe Pussy Alert has just sounded for the first time!
ReplyDeleteDiscuss.
Jordan, Buddy M Dallas TX 4.0 12/31/2008 A
Makes no sense. I was already feeling bad about my Horns. Now I'm feeling downright hated on.
ReplyDeleteWTF? Computers suck.
I'm not going to bag on a guy who is over 60 who doesn't want to play 4.5 and the computer says he is in range to appeal down. He's obviously a solid 4.0 player as he beat Newman and Voss and took the gods Brouer and Robinson to 3 but come on. He lost both his playoff matches as well.
ReplyDeleteTech wasn't in the conversation because they lost by 44, doesn't really matter when that happens.
ReplyDeleteHey Voss, maybe being 1-0 against Corey Noel is what finally caught up to you?
ReplyDeleteAppeal:
ReplyDeleteMilke, Carl M Dallas TX 3.5 12/31/2008 A
Looks Like OC-Branch has some rebuilding to do they have lost 4 players thus far. YIKES..
ReplyDeleteYour right. Doug should be moved to 5.5 for that win. Who was the 4th player from Branch's team? I knew of Walt, Jeremy, and Clint.
ReplyDeleteFYI - Looks like most of the Fort Worth 4.5 guys that were mid-year 5.0 bumps are now back down to 4.5.
ReplyDeleteHuffman, Terefe, etc.
Holy cow! P Jones survived to remain in 4.5. That's one assumed doubles loss for Northwood in the spring.
ReplyDeleteP. Jones has not been updated yet, although I think he will remain 4.5
ReplyDeleteWe have to give the rest of the teams a chance. Peter will rebound next season. Just wait.
ReplyDeleteWow Huffman is mind-boggling and seems to me that 2009 Fall Results are not counted. Otherwise how does someone go 5-0 at 5.0 abnd get bumped down to 4.5!!!
ReplyDeleteAlthough I guess going 0-3 at Sectionals does help the case.
That guy has been dominating 4.5 forever but he is always on a weak team in Dallas thankfully.
ReplyDeleteWhat does "T" stand for? Thanks.
ReplyDeleteA player gets a T when they only play Tournaments.
ReplyDeleteT stands for Thanksgiving.
ReplyDeleteI*m confused, how does B. Jordan appeal his rating when it should have been a B designation (he was in Cities last spring @ 4.0 - T-bar M), Once again I am confused,
ReplyDeletePlease set me straight
Some people have said that the benchmark rule doesn't take effect until after spring 09. I have not heard anybody confirm or deny. Also, did he make the playoffs in the fall. If not, that could be why.
ReplyDeleteThe 2008 Year-end ratings are being updated now and the process should be completed by 9 pm Eastern time.
ReplyDeleteI don't know why anyone is getting worked up on who got bumped - all irrellevant, util you see who got bumped and appeal denied. most bumps will be appealled and granted. happens every year.
ReplyDeleteUSTA LEAGUE TENNIS
ReplyDeleteMAJOR REGULATION CHANGES FOR 2009
1. District/Area, Region, Section and National Championship benchmarks may not be
appealed the first year received.
2. No dynamic disqualification of Year-end Computer (C) or Benchmark (B) players.
Reg. 3.04A
3. So. . . who can be dynamically disqualified? NTRP published evel followed by A
(appeal-all), S (self-rated), M (mixed exclusive), T (tournament exclusive), D
(dynamic rating-usually an Early Start Rating moved down) in the Adult and Senior
divisions through the Section Championships.
4. All medical appeals will be reviewed first by a section-appointed review committee
and, if deemed a permanently disabling injury or illness, will be forwarded to the
National Medical Review Committee for a final decision.
5. Mixed Doubles National Championship teams will follow the same
& here is the rule:
3.05C Championship Benchmarks. A championship benchmark may not be appealed
following the championship year it is received except for permanently disabling injury/illness. If
intervening permanent disabling injury or illness indicates that a championship benchmark rating
may be too high, the Section Association shall utilize a Medical Review Committee to evaluate all
medical appeals; and, if the injury/illness is deemed permanently disabling, the appeal will be
forwarded to the National Medical Appeal Committee for a final decision.
Looks like that doesn't take effect until 2009
ReplyDeletehow about that "master blaster" (remember Mad Max beyond Thunderdome) team getting broken up. What is Slezak going to do without Walt William's shoulders to ride next season. looks like the Brancher's are going to need a recruiting trip. Maybe they can pull back some guys fromLoose's High Point experiment team
ReplyDeleteYou need to remember that we are in the 2009 USTA season. Yes we have an early start league (fall) as do several districts throughout the different sections, but most Districts do not start their seasons until the spring.
ReplyDeleteThese ratings are for the 2009 season play.
if there's not 12/31/2008 next to the rating does that mean it is just not computed yet?
ReplyDeleteyes
ReplyDeletedid gonzales and phat bui get bumped back down for royal oaks 4.5
ReplyDeletethat hasn't been determined yet. Neither has 12/31/2008 with their names yet.
ReplyDeleteThose 2 haven't been updated yet. I know several here that sure hope not.
ReplyDeleteIf you get bumped up, play up!
ReplyDeletePlease remember that Baseline Jesus doesn’t like people that appeal their rating.
If you get knocked down and you feel that it’s unjustified …. play up!
25-3 in singles in 2008 calendar year and I'm safe. I bet I wasn't even that close.
ReplyDeleteYou guys don't realize how hard it is to get bumped from 4.5 to 5.0 w/o winning at sectionals/nationals.
5.0 is a practical death sentence for league play so I don't think USTA really wants to bump many people above 4.5.
I do not believe I have published official doctrine on appealing ratings.
ReplyDeleteStay tuned and look unto the heavens for the sign.
Vik – 25 – 3 give me a break! You’re kicking ass! You need some competition! Time for you to move up!
ReplyDeleteDear Baseline Jesus,
ReplyDeleteI saw the light and heard your word about appealing one’s rating during the release of the mid-season ratings. Please give us guidance on how we should handle the temptation to appeal if one is bumped and how we should treat one if one does appeal. Oh, Baseline Jesus … help us all through this very difficult time of uncertainty.
Nancy
Hmmm to be a great 4.0 or a below average 4.5?
ReplyDeleteIt would be interesting to know how tournament and leagues (spring & fall) are weighted. It appears that tournament performance / play doesn’t carry much weight compared to league play. This is a general observation from looking at the following: 1) Last years mid season ratings, 2) Last year’s end of the year ratings, 3) This year’s mid season ratings and 4) What has been published some far for this year’s end of the year ratings.
ReplyDeleteNo Football
ReplyDeleteNo Politics
No Religon (Excluding BL Jesus)
Tennis Only
Nancy –
ReplyDeleteI have talked with you before about getting all worked up, getting your panties in a wad and worrying that the end is near for your team. Be positive! I have ringers! There’s always another ringer right around the corner. Do not get blinded! Do not look into the light! Please walk in my path and you will always receive the lucky cord bounce, be able to call the ball out all the time when it’s only 99% (or less) out and have your opponent feel good about you. Have faith and love to learn to cheat your opponent.
Drop Shot Lucifer
The Lord Helps those who help themselves.
ReplyDeleteGive your rating a try for a season.
If you can't win half your matches then appeal down.
However,
Thou shall not appeal down and then play up!
Drop Shot Lucifer has tried to tempt me at the Garland tennis center.
ReplyDeleteDrop Shot Lucifer get behind Me!
OC BL - let the blog go where it needs to go. i would say that this blog can talk about world events and be ok - we need a break sometimes. I would say that tx / ou is a pretty hot topic and let some guys vent. you will allow personal attack that have nothing to do with tennis - let there be some tx ou talk - just bc you may not watch football - the rest of the tennis community cares about it....Cory lost one of his best players bc of OU football for cities and it could have cost him. please quit deleting the tx ou stuff - it's funny.
ReplyDeletewwcd
It’s good to see that sandbagger Forrest Feuille officially got bumped from 4.0 to 4.5 with a Benchmark rating. Hopefully this will put a stop to his on going sandbagging pushing party he’s had going on for the last 1 ½ years.
ReplyDeleteDidn't he lose 2 of his last 3 matches?
ReplyDeleteForrest had a little pressure on him, either win and get bumped or let the match slide by as a loss. No big deal! This time around, the computer did its job in finding these hard to get sandbaggers.
ReplyDeleteForrest – the 4.0 party is over. Nice job! Now let’s see what you all about. No more crying! Don’t be a puss again, just get out there and hit the ball!
Baseline Jesus,
ReplyDeleteIt’s wonderful to hear from you. Where have you been? We haven’t heard from you in months. We have needed your guidance. I believe we went through the entire fall season and not a word from you. The ball could have bounced another way if you were there. Yes, I have had the faith and have been tempted several times during the season. It has been a biblical fall season. So much has happened! Baseline Jesus, please stay near …at least in the doubles alley, on a regular basis to stand watch of me.
Nancy
well the Anons can now quit crying over ROCC since Gonzales and Bui both got a 5.0 "B"
ReplyDeleteron Morrison a 5.0
ReplyDeleteY E S !
ReplyDeleteI see Cary's two tankers, Steven Kent and Noaman Azhar got their wish and stayed at 4.0. Both will be non factors in the Spring and that team will end up middle of the pack as always. Both laid an egg against HP Somabut this Fall. They won't need to throw matches in the Spring.
ReplyDeleteJessica, what happened with your boyfriend?
ReplyDeleteBranch will be scrambling now to replace Morrison and Williams. Huge losses for him but definitely levels the playing field at 4.5.
ReplyDeleteFair, Douglas J. M Frisco TX 4.5 12/31/2008 B
ReplyDeleteCool. I'll be looking forward to seeing you guys in the Spring. Odds on Northwood making the playoffs???. 50-1????
ReplyDeleteFair, Douglas J:)
So, of those 5.0 players posing as 4.5 level I mentioned in another thread:
ReplyDeleteWilliams and Morrison were bumped (again).
Brownlee (Colorado), Viktorin and Pier don't show up on either 4.5 or 5.0 for Dallas 2008, yet.
That leaves sleezy dirtball...wait, I mean Slezak, Durten, and Molina all benchmarked at 4.5 but ready for a CY09 bump up.
It's coming folks.
:P
Brookhaven/Kramer wins the 3.5 fall city champs and has only 1 player bumped to 4.0, Mark Cline, (and still waiting on Mitterer's update). CC/Jolly has 3 bumps so far (looks like self-rates haven't been updated across the board) and HP/Jamison has 4 so far. I smell something fishy (and I don't think it's Jessica!)
ReplyDeleteCrap...wrong year. Helps to look at the 2009 season.
ReplyDeleteSo let's make that a pathetic prediction of mine since only Williams and Morrison were bumped.
Pier and Brownlee still show old dates for their ratings as of this post, though. They may get bumped.
:P
OK Vik, you're right you were impressive with your 25-3 singles mark in 4.5 yet still saying safely down. However, I have found someone even more impressive, Tim Green. The Houstonite got bumped up last year after losing in the semis of Sectionals to the eventual champs Austin. This year he went 19-5 in tournament singles at 5.0 including winning 4 major zones. He didn't play league so those were his only results (it's nearly impossible to accuse him of tanking with that record). So with a 79% winning rate at 5.0.....he gets bumped DOWN to 4.5. I think he proves your "it's hard to be a 5.0 rated player" theory.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad for Tim since he gets out of the death sentence of 5.0 without tanking and he's a good guy but man is this system screwy.
I'm shocked that my best player stayed at 4.5, but that will help us tremendously in the spring. We saw that after the spring, it is almost impossible to get moved to 5.0.
ReplyDeleteTim has teetered between 4.5 and 5.0 for a while now. He has won 5.0 major zones so I don't understand how he can get moved down. I have heard his game has dropped off considerably over the last couple of years when I got married but it seems to be coming back around.
ReplyDeleteHe will be at 4.5 Sectionals I predict.
You're married Corey?
ReplyDeleteBummer...P Jones stays in 4.5 this year. No bump down to 3.5 where he belongs.
ReplyDelete:P
Thanks for asking. My boy friend stayed at 3.5 but I would still like for him to play 4.5 on Coredawg's team.
ReplyDeleteJessica
P.S. I don't smell fishy, do I?
Das got bumped up from 3.0 to 4.0. How does that happen when he only has 3 matches on record, and one is a loss to Gerber? The USTA is wack. Gerber went 8&0 and doesn't get bumped either. Who can figure this out?
ReplyDeleteI’m looking forward to reviewing the official release of the ratings.
ReplyDeleteIt’s very difficult to believe some of the current ratings (up and down).
It’s also hard to understand how some were rated as a benchmark player versus a computer rated player.
What’s been stated about being a benchmark player isn’t consistent.
It does smell a little fishy on the Plano side of town. Any of you guys with Highpoint or Lifetime Fitness know where the smell is going from?
ReplyDeletePlease guide us O thou Baseline Jesus during this time of uncertain and mistrust in the holy USTA computer algorithm. You have spoke to us in the past about being strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid … we put our trust in thee. You said, give and it shall be given to you. For whatever measure that has been dealt out to others, it will be dealt back with a return of serve. As Nancy told me this evening, do not gaze at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it goes down smoothly! In the end it bites like a snake, and poisons like a viper. Your eyes will see strange sights and you mind will imagine confusing things like being a 3.5 player versus a 4.5. Please provide us a few words of comfort to help us have a better understanding.
ReplyDeleteMaybe Branch can recruit P Jones for their 4.5 team as their waterboy.
ReplyDeleteThat's probably too much work for him. Better make sure he's the towel rack for the line 1 doubles team.
ReplyDelete:P
I looked at Tim Green's record and he didn't beat a single 5.0 rated player (I don't know what that says about 5.0 MZ tennis). He'll probably clean house again at 4.5 but that makes it a little easier to see how the computer could drop him down, I guess?
ReplyDeleteIt sure looks to me that if you don't have success at league sectionals level, it's almost impossible to get bumped from 4.5 to 5.0.
So :P went 2/8 on guys he thought were out of level at 4.5. Can we agree now that :p doesn't know what a 5.0 looks like?
For those of you ripping on me, get a life!!! You are obviously a couple of guys who I beat during the year and from the malcontent sound in your voices, I know that I am right. I have not been sandbagging as you claim but have tried hard in all my matches, which is more than I can say than others. For the record I did lose one of my last three matches and not my last two of three. I told you all along that I wanted to finish out 2008 with Lifetime and that is what I did. Now I am moving up and am excited about the next level and the possibility of playing for a new team. If you still have a problem with me and my tennis then I suggest that you focus on yourself because you have no life and from the sounds of it.......no game either!!! Forrest
ReplyDeleteIf all 8 complete an NTRP clinic, and even 1 is deemed a 4.5 after that (assuming there's no tanking), then I'll concede. Otherwise, I and others who have agreed on here will maintain the position.
ReplyDeleteSome didn't get bumped because their teams didn't play in DCC. Without a benchmarking, the computer takes over, and as usual is arbitrary and capricious.
:P
The computer is arbitrary huh? Gotcha.
ReplyDeleteBert, Samuel M Allen TX 3.5 12/31/2008 A
ReplyDeleteSammy Slice and Dice does not want to hack it at 4.0
I know hate'in on Garland players always gets a rise out of people.
ReplyDeleteIs this bump up really justified?
Zackary, Mike M Farmers Branch TX 4.5 12/31/2008 C
Molina, Enrique A. M Sachse TX 3.5 12/31/2008 B
ReplyDeleteEnrique Bumped down to 3.5 without appeal?
WTF!!!!
Mike Z needs to hit that appeal button. He won't find much pleasure at 4.5
ReplyDeleteLooks like Jessica appealed her boy up to a 4.0: Dolson, Jed M Dallas TX 4.0 12/31/2008 A
ReplyDeleteJust as well, that's where he should have self rated for the Fall anyway. Don't know if Sam Grand has a 4.0 team to field for the Spring, so maybe Corey will let him play up on his 4.5 team. Don't expect any wins on that line though if he does.
Yo :P, can you teach a clinic on how to double fault an entire game?
ReplyDeletePussy Alert!
ReplyDeleteMyers, Brandon M Frisco TX 4.0 12/31/2008 A
Green will be at sectionals next summer, but he'll have tough matches. He'll be a good 4.5 but not a dominant one, regardless of how he did at 5.0. A great 4.5 these days is an above average 5.0.
ReplyDeletePescado Tonto
Outing the appeals is hilarious.
ReplyDeleteI think we will all agree on this one - Myers has no business at 4.5. Computers do make mistakes.
How can you possibly leave Texas Tech out of the argument based solely on the fact that they got beat so badly by Oklahoma. Really a self defeating argument.
ReplyDeleteComputer do exactly what they're told to do within their physical limitations. If an idiot programmed the rules for the computer-based eval, expect idiotic results.
ReplyDeleteIf I were a software developer and I had to deliver a software package to the USTA for this computer eval program, I think I'd consider allowing 2 or 3 simple rules based on random number generation (arbitrary) and then some score/frequency values like the following:
Any match where the total game tally is 12 games won to 5 games lost (aka 6-3, 6-2) counts as a 5.0 match. Then de-weight according to the line played. Do this for all matches during the regular season. Weight the regular season tally at 33%.
Then do the same for DCC play, except weight them at 66%.
Then cast a time in play consideration of a go/no-go of 3 seasons minimum before a bump up is allowed irrespective of the rating that was just tallied at the 33/66 percent values.
Simple piece of software with a GUI element, rules based entry values in a RDB, and a middle-ware pulling values, running the rules, and outputing to the GUI.
Done...and completely flawed since it has Zero to do with the skillset. It deals only with a score outcome, which is but one of many elements in the NTRP rule set.
:P
Wow, that was technically sound and way to logical. This is the USTA we are talking about.
ReplyDeleteDamn, :P, go do some work and quit wasting your time on the blog. This is league tennis we are talking about.
ReplyDeleteThe NTRP system Ultimately wants everyone to be at a level where they are not consistently successful.
ReplyDeleteIf you win more that 75% of your matches you will be moved to the next level where you will lose more than 50% of them.
This is based on playing your same position ex #1 singles or #1 doubles in 4.0 vs 4.5,
Now if you play singles in 3.5 then move to doubles in 4.0 you might have some success.
But on average if you go 8-0 in singles then get bumped up, you will be lucky to go 4-4 in singles in the next level.
DQ 3.5 singles players like Dewayne Ahner and Glen Floria are average 4.0 players at best.
IMPOSSIBLE! Glen Flora is a 4.5 superstar! Have you not been paying attention.
ReplyDeleteIf I don't win every match I play,
ReplyDeleteThen I don't want to play!
I do not know Huffman or Green's league results, but I do know their game, neither can play doubles at a high 4.5 level. And in singles they are good, but not elite 4.5, serviceable, but average.
ReplyDeleteold school
I would think Dustin would crush either of them
Did Eddie stay 4.0? If the computer takes ego into account he might get bumped to 5.0. Although after the city playoffs his ego should be about a 3.5.
ReplyDeleteThis seems to be a good topic every season so let's try it. Who of the bump-ups will have the most success at their new level? It looks like many of them will appeal but is that because none of them would win at the higher level?
ReplyDeleteThoughts?
I guess since Brandon's team made the playoffs that eliminates the benchmark theory since he appealed successfully.
ReplyDeletehere is another good one, how many of the bumpups wont play at all since to 5.0 there arent many teams and you dont get to play much
ReplyDeleteHey :P. I just ran your program. Your GUI is off by .5173. You might want to make the adjustment for accuracy reasons. If not, you are just throwing the names and ratings against the wall to see where they stick.
ReplyDeleteJean Nguyen and Joel Pickett will have success at the next level.
ReplyDeleteAt 4.5, don't see any 4.0 bump ups that will "dominate". Some might finish with winning records (probably in doubles.
ReplyDelete3.5 bump ups typically do well in 4.0 as this is a much smaller jump.
Regarding the 2 HP guys mentioned - in doubles only. Neither would be able to win a playoff singles match, even at line 2.
ReplyDeleteI played an scrimmage match between 4.0 and 4.5 and I did not see a huge jump in quality of play. Its not as hard as I imagined it would be. Others should try it. Might be surprised by what they find.
ReplyDeleteI think as always the top players that get moved up will be around .500 at the new level. Top 3.5s can't compete with top 4.0s, Top 4.0s can't compete with top 4.5s, etc. But somebody who was undefeated at a lower level should be able to win most of their matches at the next level. We had plenty of examples of this this season.
ReplyDeleteI agree that Jean and Joel will do well because they've already played some 4.5 doubles and know they can compete.
Some benchmark players can apparently appeal their rating and get pushed down. Other benchmark players cannot appeal.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone understand what's happening?
Benchmark has nothing to do with it. It is based on your dynamic rating - period. If you are more than .05 over the level you are trying to appeal down to, it will be denied.
ReplyDeletePussy Alert
ReplyDeleteDolson, Jed M Dallas TX 4.0 12/31/2008 A
Anyone know who this is?
Haney, Robert C. M Mesquite TX 3.5 12/31/2008 A
ReplyDeleteWhat's wrong don't want to leave Daddy's team?
Milke, Carl M Dallas TX 3.5 12/31/2008 A
ReplyDeleteTrying to "Milk" another season out of 3.5?
Look at December 2, 2008 7:57 AM post....you have it backwards, Dolson appealed up, not down, becuase Jessica knows he's no 3.5.
ReplyDeleteLittle lady:
ReplyDeleteNewman, Terry M Dallas TX 3.5 12/31/2008 A
Oh Roy Boy
ReplyDeleteSmith, Roy W. M McKinney TX 3.5 12/31/2008 A
Who's Jessica ?
ReplyDeleteNational USTA regulations seem to say that Benchmark players cannot appeal their rating for one year.
ReplyDeleteYet we see several benchmark players actually granted appeals.
I dont understand how some of our "B" benchmark players are winning appeals.
That starts at end of 2009
ReplyDeleteR E A D !
it must be not a national rule as I just tried to appeal a teamate who has a "B" and the auto-appeal was denied due to being a benchmark, even though she played one set at State and retired sick.
ReplyDeleteI just moved here last year & friends in my former section have not been granted appeals because of being benchmark (B)desiganted players. This is really strange.
ReplyDeleteRoy Smith played 4.0 in Spring and was bumped down to 3.5 at mid-year.
ReplyDeleteHe didn't play in the fall and was bumped back up at year end.
My appeal was denied, but even though I have a "B", the reason given was my dynamic rating was more than .05 out of the level I wanted to go.
ReplyDeleteBob Kayser, Terry Newman and Bob Haney were all listed as level 4.0 B (for Benchmark) yesterday.
ReplyDeleteToday they have each appealed and were allowed to go back down to level 3.5.
Why are some benchmarks not allowed to appeal and others are???
Does anybody really know?
Jessica told me it is about 3.5 when erect.
ReplyDeleteTo be a true Benchmark, you had to play in the playoffs last year. Did each of those players truly do that, regardless of what letter was next to their name. I know Mr. Voss does meet this criteria.
ReplyDeleteaccording to Tosha - if you played in the playoffs of any sort this season and got bumped up - you will not be allowed to appeal.
ReplyDeleteIs this a tx thing or a usta thing. where is my good friend ar hacker when i need him for the good stuff.
ReplyDeleteAR HACKER RULES
AR HACKER RULES
please educate us and give us clarity on the events of this most dreadful turn of events.
I do know that both Meyers & Jordan both played in the City
ReplyDelete4.0 Championship this past
summer (July).
That should have classified them both as "B" players & like Voss should have not been granted an appeal down.
What does the DTA have to say about the appeal situation??????
DTA does not get involved as all rating are handled at the State level.
ReplyDeleteWhat I want everyone to do right now is go and appeal, whether you want to or not and lets see what the hit rate is.
Myself, a 4.5 B- DENIED.
Racer X, brute force algorithm cracking methods are all about throwing guesses against a wall to see if they stick. It wouldn't take much time given the expansiveness of the list and the available matchups, scores, ratings and events to derive the rule set. If the USTA site were faster at pulling up an individuals scores, I'd put the activity at less than a week to crack the computer methods.
ReplyDeleteAnd note that GUI stands for "Graphical User Interface" so that good OOP practices say that a well designed GUI holds no algorithmic (middle layer) computational capability. Look up the "MVC" (Model, View, Controller) framework on Wiki for a definition of prevalent, best-practice software design if you care to understand more in this area. You'd have been accurate if you just said "program".
:P
6.0 B - Denied
ReplyDeleteI think the key factor as to whether a "B" benchmark player is alble to appeal or not is whether that play advanced to the Sectional Level. That would explain why Voss was unable to appeal and others with a "B" have been able to appeal. That maens at the 4.0 level no player from HP Somabut or SP Walters would have been able to appeal.
ReplyDeletePlease excuse the horrible spelling in the previous post!
ReplyDeleteGood to finally have an account on here.
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Forrest -
ReplyDeleteYour a crybaby!
poster 8:18pm, you need grammar lessons.
ReplyDeleteEnrique Molina -
ReplyDeleteI agree … WTF? WTF are you thinking? Dude you were the number one 3.5 singles player in the state for ¾ of the year and finish second overall. It’s time to move up! Why did you appeal? You should have moved up last year. You’re a joke and so is the USTA’s system for generating the ratings.
Anyone – how does this guy allowed to appeal his ranking.
The USTA’s system has some serious flaws.
What a crime!
Questions and answers:
ReplyDeleteWhy is Forrest a crybaby? Where did he even come into play on this? The man is playing 4.5 like he should and taking it like a man, and not appealing!
Samuel Bert - a Good 3.5 player. he does not have the shot selection of a 4.0 yet.
Enrique Molina. - Strategy of a strong 3.5 player, not a 4.0 player when it comes to his play. Have you seen his play? Stay at 3.5 for another year or 2, you need it.
Milke. 3.5 player, always will be, always should be. He should be the Mendoza line of tennis. (google it if you don't know what the Mendoza line means. He is the spitting image of it).
I just want to know if some of those OC guys tanked on purpose to get back to 3.5?
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone have any comments about that? Looks like Al Bundy still re-living his football days to me... IN THE SHOE STORE.
Come on guys!!! How about just work on improving your game instead?
Add Chan from HP, Goheen and Ereckson from Westlake and Palacioz from Greenhill to the appeals back to 3.5.
ReplyDeleteMy bet is that of the 40 players that played 3.5 in the fall and got bumped, by the time we are done, there will be at least 15 that appeal back down successfully.
Sam Bert - Forever 3.5. Doesn't know how to improve his game. Enjoy beating up on guys out of your level. Must feel guuud.
ReplyDeleteI thought Enrique got moved down to 3.5, didn't appeal down. If that is true you guys have no grounds for attacking him. I really haven't been able to figure out this benchmark rule from the start and still don't. I tried to get clarification from Jane but all I got was a cut-and-pasted reproduction of the rule according to the USTA, not the interpretation.
ReplyDeleteEnrique Molina did not appeal !!! He somehow got moved back down to 3.5 after a mid season 4.0 rating
ReplyDeleteThis is a very interesting case that the USTA (Tosha Smith and company) needs to study and understand how something like this happens.
ReplyDeleteThe facts -
- Enrique Molina has been playing leagues and tournaments for the last couple of years.
- He has continued to move up and improved over the last two years.
- He did very well in league play. Went 6 – 1
- Did very well in tournament play last year (2007). Had a great record.
- Enrique had a good spring league season (2008) @ 3.5. Went 3 – 2. Should have went 4 – 1, but he gave up on a match. (I was there).
- Had a great year in his tournament play (won a major, did well at all the majors, ended the year at #2, etc, etc).
- Was bumped mid year from 3.5 to 4.0.
- During the 2008 fall, Enrique did very well with his tournament play. Made it to the Master’s tournament, etc.
- During the 2008 fall league played on a 4.0 team. Enrique went 1 – 3. All of his matches were very competitive.
- Gets bumped back down to 3.5 at the end of the year.
This just case just doesn’t make any sense what so ever. Whatever algorithm the USTA came up with really needs to be reviewed.
Please take 10 – 15 mins and review Enrique record / performance and try to understand why / how he got bumped back down to the 3.5 level.
I took one for the team.
ReplyDeleteI was surprised my appeal was granted. I thought my player record would have kept me at 4.
I look at the bump down as a good thing. I can play 3.5 and 4.
I welcome the invitations to 4.0.
Contact me at jtpalaciozjr@yahoo.com
For the courageous anon who is calling everybody a pussy, tell us who you are big man. At least guys like Voss and Forrest sign their names to their blogs. You are probably a beginner who is mad at the world because the system actually asks others to move up. So just sit at home with one hand on your cock and the other on your mouse and bash away big man. Remember that the start of a new 2.0 season is right around the corner for you!!
ReplyDeleteI support calling out the pussy appeals - its hilarious so keep them coming.
ReplyDeleteJust to see how this rule worked I tested the "A" button and here is what it said:
ReplyDeleteAutomated appeal requested down for Lucky Thunder is denied because player designated as Benchmark above the local league level, or Disqualified cannot request an automated appeal at this time.
Appeal requested by Lucky Thunder
Rating Before Appeal
NTRP Level: 4.0 NTRP Rating Type: B
Rating After Appeal
NTRP Level: 4.0 NTRP Rating Type: B
So I guess if you went to sectionals in an event you are included in this rule?? But I was at sectionals in 2007. I still don't get it to be honest. Kevin Windham was bumped to 4.5 with a "B" not sure where his benchmark came from, not sad his forehand is gone from 4.0.
BTW, thanks OC BL for starting this train. I was happy we didn't lose anyone because I like my team but since Bob's team lost two and gained Steven and Keith they are still are very powerful team and even more stacked at doubles if that is possible.
Looking forward to April see you then.
Automated Appeal Decision
ReplyDeleteAutomated appeal requested down for Anonymous is denied. Adult player cannot be granted an automated appeal at this time, because their NTRP computerized rating is more than .05 from their next Play level down.
Appeal requested by Anonymous
Rating Before Appeal
NTRP Level: 4.5 NTRP Rating Type: B
Rating After Appeal
NTRP Level: 4.5 NTRP Rating Type: B
For all you 3.5 players:
ReplyDeletePlease stop wasting your time on this blog, get in the weight room, hit on the ball machine, and most importantly learn how to play some decent tennis.
3.5 tennis must be a Dallas thing. I notice on the Houston Blog they will NEVER mention 3.5ers, and frankly they treat the 4.0's like step children.
ReplyDeleteLet's step it up DFW.
3.5 Pussy alert
ReplyDeleteChan, Peter Shan M Plano TX 3.5 12/31/2008 A
Ereckson, Lanny E. M Allen TX 3.5 12/31/2008 A
ReplyDeleteAfter reading the blog and having been a 3.5 moved to 4.0B and having been at sectionals in 2008, I decided to try the appeal.
ReplyDeleteResults:
Automated appeal requested down for James W. Kinson is denied because player designated as Benchmark above the local league level, or Disqualified cannot request an automated appeal at this time.
I also found an interesting explanation regarding the NTRP system on the USTA site. It doesn't explain people like Enrique who I feel have earned the next level, but it is one more point of information on how rating are calculated.
"How Dynamic Ratings are calculated for a specific match"
In matches where all players have previous ratings the procedure is as follows:
1. The system looks up the current dynamic rating of all the players in the match.
2. The system looks up from a table, the likely score of the match based on the current dynamics of the players.
3. The system compares the likely match score with the actual match score. For example, if one player or team has a tenth of a point higher rating than the opponent, the likely score is 6-4, 6-4.
If the winning team wins by a larger than expected margin, each player’s ratings is increased based on the margin of victory and the losing player’s rating is decreased by the same amount.
If the winning team wins by less than the expected margin, their ratings will actually decrease and the losing team’s ratings will increase.
Likewise, the “wrong” team may win which causes their rating to increase markedly and the rating of the team which was favored would decrease by the same amount.
4. The rating obtained for each player in Step #3 is averaged with a maximum of their previous three dynamic ratings and that number becomes their new current dynamic rating. (Indirectly this connects the current dynamic to all previous matches but weights the four most recent matches more heavily.) The reason for this averaging is to even out the ratings in cases where some unusual situation causes an atypical result.
Each player rating is maintained in the system to the nearest hundredth of a point.
The difference in ratings of the members of a doubles team is held constant in a calculation of an individual match. If the two players are three hundredths (.03) of a point apart going into the match then they are three hundredths (.03) apart after the calculation in Step #4. However, once that number is averaged with the three previous dynamic ratings (Step #5) that difference may change. This is how we measure the performance of players as they change partners.
Hope this helps!
What happened to Royal Oaks in playoffs?
ReplyDeleteWhat happened to Royal Oaks in playoffs?
ReplyDeleteThey did about as expected
ReplyDeleteI don't think Enrique Molina is going to improve one more ounce playing 3.5 matches this year. He needs to man up, and learn how to beat the good 4.0 players.
ReplyDeleteI just think Enrique can get away with who knows what at the 3.5 level - things that get punished at 4.0 game wise.
At this point - he will improve much faster playing 4.0.
#2 3.5 in the state of Texas?! Gee guys, if that isn't the 'sign' to move up, then I don't know what is...
Follow the lead of Dutchover.
ReplyDeleteLast year #1 in 3.5
This year top 5 in 4.0
Just bumped up to 4.5
Man up! Take your left hand make sure you got some juevos between them legs.
Anon at 7:40 this morning said,
ReplyDelete"Why don't you just worry about what You need to do to get to the next level or win a tournament."
Dude...you are spot on. I'll give you a deserved A for that rhetoric.
:P
Yeah - follow the lead of Dutchover I agree. Anybody who has seen Ismael's 'strokes' knows he wins by running down every ball. Enrique could do similar I think, and learn shot selection patterns that may help his game develop.
ReplyDeleteBeating up on 3.5's only gets you so far with your game. At number two, I think he rode that horse for all it's worth. IMHO.
I would like to know what books (pertaining to tennis) Dutchover reads.
ReplyDeleteWith those strokes it's not about reading books. It's about praying to the right gods.
ReplyDeletePerhaps he reads Carlos Campos' book? :-)
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